'09 Power/MPG numbers, as per Ford rep
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They should eliminate the 4.6 V8 altogether. What's the appeal of that engine? The bigger 5.4 gets basically the same MPG with better torque.
Oh well I see there are still clinging to their higher torque at lower RPM's game.
They still have the worst HP of any currently made V8 by a long ways. These 09's aren't going to sell especially when all these 08's are on the lots.
Ford should have waited till they had some real engine improvements before they realeased another new build.
Bring on the ecoboost, that's what I'm waiting for.
Oh well I see there are still clinging to their higher torque at lower RPM's game.
They still have the worst HP of any currently made V8 by a long ways. These 09's aren't going to sell especially when all these 08's are on the lots.
Ford should have waited till they had some real engine improvements before they realeased another new build.
Bring on the ecoboost, that's what I'm waiting for.
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What's the point, he says....I always thought the point of a V8 motor was to move the truck down the road.
Which 250 HP should have no trouble doing. Hell, it's only 25 HP short of the V10s, before they upgraded to the PI heads! What's WRONG with a 4.6L V8?
If you don't do any heavy towing and are on a budget...why not?
A damn sight better than my '03s 4.2L V6...
Which 250 HP should have no trouble doing. Hell, it's only 25 HP short of the V10s, before they upgraded to the PI heads! What's WRONG with a 4.6L V8?
If you don't do any heavy towing and are on a budget...why not?
A damn sight better than my '03s 4.2L V6...
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parts bin. like they had the 04 heritage, they need to get rid of a lot of excess parts still.I wouldn't be surprised if that's going away real soon.
and 320hp, whew, at least it slingshotted past the Titan with a massive 3hp and 5 torque advantage. Maybe if Ford didn't set their sights on bringin' up the rear, they'd have a bit more excitement over these new trucks...
pitiful if you consider a JLT cai and an SCT tune will get you nearly 2x that at the wheels...
and 320hp, whew, at least it slingshotted past the Titan with a massive 3hp and 5 torque advantage. Maybe if Ford didn't set their sights on bringin' up the rear, they'd have a bit more excitement over these new trucks...
pitiful if you consider a JLT cai and an SCT tune will get you nearly 2x that at the wheels...
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.....uuhhh the point is money.to me the 4.6 3v is a good base engine,and as the 2v for fleets that may be true,but ive always heard they mostly used the v6,why would anyone want to buy the least powerful one,i dont understand someone would go spend at least 30k dollars on a truck with that engine
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Toyota Tundra has a 4.0 liter V6 standard...
In 2WD basic model trucks.
Fleet buyers need a low-cost engine option; the 4.2 V6 was pretty darn anemic as the standard engine in the F150 and even the E150/E250(!) until they eliminated it from the vans. My son works at a bike shop and their van has a 4.2 (he noted it was a real dog even compared to our family 4.6 liter E150). Bought for its low price--and boxed bicycles aren't *that* heavy (although when they load it with power treadmills it works pretty hard). Their usual runs are maybe 20-30 miles max, between different stores in their local chain.
The 4.6 is a fine basic engine, cheap to run and relatively cheap to build (although if they had a nice little pushrod V8 it would be cheaper), and reliable for lots of miles. Works fine in cop cars, taxis, and stretch limos.
George
Fleet buyers need a low-cost engine option; the 4.2 V6 was pretty darn anemic as the standard engine in the F150 and even the E150/E250(!) until they eliminated it from the vans. My son works at a bike shop and their van has a 4.2 (he noted it was a real dog even compared to our family 4.6 liter E150). Bought for its low price--and boxed bicycles aren't *that* heavy (although when they load it with power treadmills it works pretty hard). Their usual runs are maybe 20-30 miles max, between different stores in their local chain.
The 4.6 is a fine basic engine, cheap to run and relatively cheap to build (although if they had a nice little pushrod V8 it would be cheaper), and reliable for lots of miles. Works fine in cop cars, taxis, and stretch limos.
George
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With fuel economy nearly the same and the same in some cases, the 4.6 brings nothing to the table besides lower upfront cost.
I seriously can't believe that Ford isn't bringing either more power or more MPG to the table.
Mike
I seriously can't believe that Ford isn't bringing either more power or more MPG to the table.
Mike
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With the 3V 4.6 and the 5.4, they are bringing both higher power and higher MPG (the latter derived mostly from the 6 speed trans.) They are probably also bringing more weight in the '09 model (despite making the frame a bit lighter, I'd bet overall weight is up from the '08 model--if only because of the size).
Ford needs the new F-100. That will bring lower weight, better mpg, and better performance with a given engine.
George
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I mean all the 4.6 models. Only the 3V brings 1MPG better in city and hwy for 2wd and 1MPG better hwy only for 4x4s. So other than a couple hundred saved initially, the 4.6 brings little to nothing to the table.
What they need to do is instead of bringing even more models to market, make the F150 the 1/2 ton that it should be and not the quasi 3/4 ton that it has become. Do like Dodge has done and work on making a 1/2 ton truck that has near 6.8 V10 power under the hood with 20MPG hwy.
Update the Ranger. Leave the familiar names in play. That is one of the reasons why domestics are having trouble, too many new names. The foreign companies have familiar names and people like things they recognize.
Mike
What they need to do is instead of bringing even more models to market, make the F150 the 1/2 ton that it should be and not the quasi 3/4 ton that it has become. Do like Dodge has done and work on making a 1/2 ton truck that has near 6.8 V10 power under the hood with 20MPG hwy.
Update the Ranger. Leave the familiar names in play. That is one of the reasons why domestics are having trouble, too many new names. The foreign companies have familiar names and people like things they recognize.
Mike
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I mean all the 4.6 models. Only the 3V brings 1MPG better in city and hwy for 2wd and 1MPG better hwy only for 4x4s. So other than a couple hundred saved initially, the 4.6 brings little to nothing to the table.
What they need to do is instead of bringing even more models to market, make the F150 the 1/2 ton that it should be and not the quasi 3/4 ton that it has become. Do like Dodge has done and work on making a 1/2 ton truck that has near 6.8 V10 power under the hood with 20MPG hwy.
Update the Ranger. Leave the familiar names in play. That is one of the reasons why domestics are having trouble, too many new names. The foreign companies have familiar names and people like things they recognize.
Mike
What they need to do is instead of bringing even more models to market, make the F150 the 1/2 ton that it should be and not the quasi 3/4 ton that it has become. Do like Dodge has done and work on making a 1/2 ton truck that has near 6.8 V10 power under the hood with 20MPG hwy.
Update the Ranger. Leave the familiar names in play. That is one of the reasons why domestics are having trouble, too many new names. The foreign companies have familiar names and people like things they recognize.
Mike
I'm betting that the cost savings with the 2V 4.6, which still gets the 4 speed auto, is gonna be closer to a grand than a couple hundred bucks between the engine and the trans.
This is a LOT of money for fleet buyers who buy hundreds of trucks at a time. And it will be plenty reliable with the 2V 4.6 and the 4R75E trans as well. These are not going be to towing heavy loads or carrying 3 tons in the beds.
George