John,

The way I'm reading it, "85e+" is referring to '65/'66 MUSTANGS, not '65/'66 TRUCKS........


I'm with ya there, Mitch!

BarnieTrk

 

Oh, hmmm well maybe he should post on a stang forum, I believe this is the USoAs #1 truck forum. but what do I know??


John

 

I was replying to this post about Mustangs, 427s, and strange things done in the '60s.....

No FEs were options for '65-66 Mustangs--they won't fit without cutting the spring towers. So-called "factory" jobs were probably done the way this PU was done, by a 3rd party either with or without factory blessing.

And yes, it's about the truck but someone mentioned Mustangs....

 

This one is almost stock too...

Ford Econoline - The Forgotten Wheel Stander - Hot Rod Magazine

 

That so called '64 Ranger is a FAKE and anyone that knows these trucks well can spot it.

This truck was at the 2008 F100 Western Nationals last June. Both Don (camperspecial65) and myself looked it over.

The Warranty Plate decodes to a 1964 F100 Custom Cab. The DSO code is two digits. If it was a "special order" from Ford, the DSO code would be 6 digits.

The Body Code decodes to a Custom Cab with a bench seat. Rangers have their own special (3) Body Codes not shared with any other model.

The holes are drilled out in the floor pan for the buckets, Ford punched out the holes.

The seats are not Mustang, they're from a foreign car. They look exactly like the seats used in MG TD's or TF's.

The seat upholstery isn't correct either, because Ford never offered vertical, (horizontal or otherwise), full tuck 'n roll upholstery on any Mustang bucket seats.

It has a one piece molded plastic headliner. No Ford truck (or car) ever produced, regardless of the year, has a headliner like that.

The owner admitted to both Don and I that he had the truck made up.

Parked next to this truck was a 1967 F250 Styleside that belongs to the Carl, a long time Ford car/truck collector and treasurer of SoCal Galaxies (car club).

After Don and I walked away, the owner of the FAKE Ranger told Carl that his truck has the "Galaxie Option."

Carl laughed in his face, because there is no such thing.

People today pass off all sorts of stuff as original, especially trucks because there aren't too many ppl around that know what's correct and what isn't.

Well I know what is and what isn't correct, because I've spent almost my entire life (64 years) in the old car hobby.

I've owned my 1965 F100 since new. Owned over 90 FoMoCo vehicles since 1956. Spent 35 years as a Ford partsman, and have been an accredited Ford car show judge for over 35 years.

So, it's EZ for me to spot FAKES like this.

 

Great post. Once again, I'm not saying that this truck is worthless, but if you tell a lie often enough, sometimes it becomes the truth. Pretty soon magazines will print it, online web sites will post it, and ebay and Barrett's auction will say that it is "factory".

Then the owner walks away with a tidy profit, and later on when the truth comes out, just claims that he was passing on what the "experts" had told him.

 

The truck is a beauty, it's just not a real Ranger.

How would you like it if you spent 1000's of dollars restoring a vehicle back to its original "as it came from the showroom" condition, then go to a show and get beaten by a FAKE?

That's what one fellow experienced at that truck show I mentioned above...the FAKE Ranger has beaten him two years running. His truck is 100% correct.

The whole point it...FAKES ruin the hobby for everyone.

And regardless of what someone here on FTE might chime in with, the guy that owns that FAKE Ranger admitted to two FTE members (camperspecial65 and myself) and several SoCal Galaxie club members, that he created it.

btw: This truck is a 1964, but the brake & clutch pedals, and the corresponding mounting bracket under the dash are from a 1965/66. The gas pedal is 1961/64 correct.

The steering column isn't a 1961/64 original either.

When I first entered the show, one of the guys from the truck club that stages it, asked me to be a judge.

I declined, because how can one judge all the mods these trucks now have, and be fair about it?

If they ask me again next year, I might take them up on it. If I do judge, that FAKE Ranger won't win...that I can GUARANTEE you!

 

Bill that kind of thing has been going on for years. He can still win Best of Show if the folks attending like it best and vote for it.

I hear what you are saying too. Diehard showers get all pisssy mouth when it happens at a show they are entered in.


John

 

He might win "Best of Show" at these car/truck enthusiasts shows, where there are all sorts of modified vehicles.

But if he entered it in a Ford car/truck show where vehicles are judged by their originality (example: the voltage regulator cover has to have the correct FoMoCo or Ford logo stenciled on), he wouldn't win chit!

And if he tried to pull that crap about it being correct at one a these shows, he'd be laughed at, and might be told to leave.

 

At the Supernats in Knoxville they give out stock trophies. At the Western Nat's they Give out based on overall hard work and apperance. One for Best of class. Apparently they felt he went to exceptional levels to build the truck. He was flabbergasted when they announced it, and never went there with the intent to WIN ANYTHING! Neither did Bob with his 64 that day, but he has his really slick trophy too for best daily driver...

And when did you ever see a truck built to the caliber of that "Ranger" driven 2000 miles to a show and driven 2000 miles back? It was built to enjoy not have it's pedigree debated.

If you want correct at all shows go to Pebble Beach and sip latte's with the elite...

Garbz

 

That's a ridiculous analogy, Dave.

Not only have I entered my 1934 Packard V12 at the Pebble Beach show several times (it never wins-I don't care), but I have judged Packards at the Pebble Beach show, and I'm hardly a member of the elite.

And...since when does only the elite drink Espresso?

Guess you've never been to Europe where everyone drinks Espresso, because when you order coffee, that's what you get.

 

OK so the rest of the crowd looked down in disdain at your lowly 99.9 point Packard While sipping Hennessy. I don't like Starbucks so that was a bad analogy...

As to elite, i meant just what i said. If you enter the Pebble Beach you obviously have a car that can cut the mustard in the car world... That is
an elite club. The top of the heap.

I was in Canada once and was deported so that is my experience with foreign adventure....

Garbz

 

I bought the Packard 37 years ago for a give-away price - less than 10 grand.

The most points it ever scored at Pebble Beach was 67. It's a mechanically restored car with original thinning black paint, tired original leather iinterior and chrome. The only reason they allow it is...three were made, only two exist in the world.

I also own a '39 Packard Super 8. It is all original down to the moth holes in the wool seats, chrome down to the copper plating, nitrocellulose lacquer paint down past the primer in several places. It's a 4 door, not rare, and has about as much chance of being shown at PB as my el cheapo 2008 Fusion does. I bought this Packard 28 years ago for 2500 bucks, drove it home.

 

“As far as history can be researched through interview of the employees of DST no 64's were made (apperently trucks cannot go faster than cars so scuttlebut says the project got nixed). Tales of another 63 uni are out there but it to this day has not surfaced or been verified.”


Chasing cars today, I believe I’ve found the “other”63, it’s confirmed White with a cammer and a unibody. Hope to my eyes on it soon. However my source is credible and knowledgeable of old Fords. Will keep you updated. We will possibly put the rumor to rest

 

Here's the 1963 F100 XL 427.