i have started to put in my engine and tranny( 95 5.8l svt and e4od tranny). engine fits good, but tranny is to big for tranny hump pluse alot longer and the pan hits the cross member just behind the front of the cab. i knew i may have problems and now its time to deal with them. does ford make a tranny that will bolt up to a 95 5.8l that is smaller than the e4od. next ? if there is will it work with the computer that i have for the 5.8l/e4od combo. i thought about manaul tranny but not sure on how to install hydrulic clutch. any inpute would be great and im open for any ideas.

 

You know that the cross member can be relocated as needed, right?? Did you look at moving the engine forward any?

You could use an AOD as it is not computer controlled.


John

 

Are you using the correct Windsor/Modified mounts? The FE and I6 mounts place the engine too high in the chassis.

The crossmember being the one that ties the radius arms? If so you need to remove it by grinding the rivits. And then making it bolt back in with grade eight bolts. A E40D will not fit the bellhousing through the opening with out it removed. Ford corrected this in later years by making the crosmember bolt in on all trucks, not just on automatic delivered 65 and 66trucks..

There should be no reason the trans will not fit. There is a mile of room in there once the crossmember is made removable.

Garbz

 

i have 70 302 engine perches with 70 302 engine mount. the tranny pan is resting on the cros member and i dont have much room in thr rear to move it up. moving the rear cross member for the tranny going to be a bear as well. its a short bed and the fram starts to angle up were the cross member will have to go.

 

the engine and tranny are in the truck, had to remove the perches to get it in. the y way it looks the tranny pan is going to rub/rest on the cross member that thr radius attach to. look as well the oil pan on the engine is very class to the front cross mber as well. how much smaller is the aod tranny.

 

Its the basic same transmission case. AOD is cable TV operated and the AODE is puter operated......

The oil pan will be close, as they are stock in a front sump. Is it a front sump unit or a fox body type pan?

Do you have the mounts in the correct back holes? There should be about an inch from the rear most head to the firewall.

Photos do wonders for this.........

Garbz

 

its a rear sump oil pan. im going to go out and fiddle with this thing some more. i was at the dismantler today and noticed that in the 90's they did away with this cross member. in 75 they had a narrrower cross member, so i got the narrower cross member and that should take car of the issues of the tranny pan hitting the cossmember. ill try and get some pic later.

 

You are correct the AODE is just a computer controlled AOD and a few other improvements. I know it will fit just fine as I have a 4R70W in my 65, however he installed a E4OD which a lot different than a AODE. I could see how the fit would be an issue as I recall the E4OD has a really long oil pan.

The AODE/4R70W pan just clears the transmission mount/cross member and the cross member right below the engine bellhousing (the one riveted to the frame).

With out some major improvements to an AOD/AODE/4R70W I do not think I would recomend one behind a 5.8 especially since his came from a lightning if I understand correctly. After rebuilding my 4R70W I really do not think it will handle much more than my 4.6L using all stock parts. There are a lot of cheap made parts inside. I have a complete transmission in my scrap pile to show anyone intrested.

The AODE was only made for a 302/351 for 1 or 2 years before the 4.6L came out and they use a dfferent bellhousing bolt pattern. Finding one for a 302/351 might be a little harder but could be done. The wiring would be different than an E4OD. It could be swapped in but would be more of a challange. The AOD would be a lot easier to find, and all the hard parts inside could be upgraded to better parts and leave all the electronics off.

Just my two cents.

Jeff

 

ok ive got a update. got the 5.8l engine sitting on the perches, you were right its a tight fit in the rear of the engine at the fire wall. once i got the engine on the perches i got the clearance i needed for the transmission at the cross member. now there is a slight downward tilt to the tranny being that it sit about 1in or less from bottom of cab. ive got the hump cover so i can cut it out, but im not sure how much room that will buy me. is the slight tilt going to hurt anything. i wish the engine perches sat about a 1in lower but they dont. there is pics in my gallery.

 

There is a spec on what the drive line angle should be, comparing the transmission to the rear axle. I do not know what it is off the top of my head, but as long as it is not too bad you should be ok. I am guessing with a short bed you have a one piece drive line?

If there is too much angle in the drive line it makes the U-joints work harder which will wear them out sooner and can cause one heck of a vibration.

Jeff

 

im not sure what the angle is but it leads me to my next thing. i dont like were and how the engine sits with the 302 perches. i would like to move it forward a couple of inches and lower it as well. ive been told the 78-79 inline 6 perches will do this for me. im hoping that number dummy will jump in and comfirm this or discredit it. if i can move the engine forward and down it will give me more to work with. i think

 

anyone have there thoughts on how much tilt on the tranny and engine that is OK. looking right know a tranny there is about a 1- 1 1/2 of tilt ftont to back on trany.

 

The correct installation variance is 4-6 degrees, using a angle finder.
this doesn't sound like a whole bunch, but when the angle is set it almost looks like to much.....but it isn't.

i have too agree with Garbz, there should be all kinds of room in there, with the correct perches, and removable tranny support.

Just my opinion

 

the 4eod tranny is outragously big, it sits in there right now but the tranny is all most against the cab and is sloped downward withe the correct perches. the C-6 tranny that came in that erea of truck is about half the e4od tranny size. my thoughts now after taking some time is that i need to move it forwaed a couple of inches and a little lower. im thinking this can be achieved with the 78-79 inline 6 perches. the pics of the 78-79 perches look like they site lower than the prior years. these perches would also bring the engine forward as well. the only concerne is that the rear sump oil pan only has a couple of inches from engine crossmember. the tranny crossmember i took care of by taking one out a 75 f100 wich is half the width wich gives me a couple of inches from crossmember and tranny pan.

 

Sounds plausable.
I just completed a '61 Merc Uni with a 550+HP 460/C6 combo, and ran into simmilar issues because of the 5.5 inch step-up into the cab(leaving about a 2"tranny hump.
I worked off of Garbzs' measurements, as well as going too the wrecker and grabbing a '76 F-250 engine cradle (welded in), and new '76 F-250 460 perches and mounts.
Yuo can veiw pics in my gallery, it might help.