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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 06:58 PM
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head gasket question????

im putting new head gaskets on my 351W (92) and was wandering if it mattered which side went up. They are felpro gaskets and have which end is the front but it doesnt say which is the top. Also is it neccessary to use shallack or anything like that? hope someone can help
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 07:16 PM
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Put them on with the end marked "front" toward the front of the motor and install them dry, do not put any sealant on them of any kind.

Yes one will seam to be "upside down", that is normal.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 07:25 PM
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ok i see what your saying now i appriciate the help. thanks.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 07:27 PM
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i hope you have the torque specs and pattern.

in case you don't:

looking at the head:

9 5 1 3 7

10 6 2 4 8

step 1: 85 ft lbs

step 2: 95 ft lbs

step 3: 105-112 ft lbs
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 07:31 PM
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You're welcome.

Be sure and use a good quality torque wrench when you tighten them down, evenly "tight" is the key. Them cheap "china" models make good hammers, but very pour wrenches!
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:11 PM
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your not going to hurt my feeling, ive got a craftsman. I know theirs better out their like blue point but is mine ok? Its pretty new and ive taken really good care of it and treated it really good.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:13 PM
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thanks for the specs and the pattern. that was going to be my next question.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:15 PM
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so you can probably guess my next sentence.

you need to buy a manual.

ford service manual is the one to get, or haynes and chilton in a pinch.

makes life much easier and should be the first thing you get when you get a new vehicle.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 09:57 PM
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steps 4, 5 and 6 are repeat the last torque spec.

but I must disagree - indianhead the gaskets or use permatex copper spray. you wont be sorry.

if you are doing this cuz she overheated and warped - replace the headbolts. they are nothing more than 'springs' and the overheat tempered them.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dieselaholic
your not going to hurt my feeling, ive got a craftsman. I know theirs better out their like blue point but is mine ok? Its pretty new and ive taken really good care of it and treated it really good.
Your Craftsman torque wrench will be fine, as long as it is a "click" type and it hasn't been used as a breaker bar or hammer. (I saw a beam type TW at Sears a couple of years ago!?!) I've had mine for about 25 years and have it calibrated "on occasion", I think 3-4 times in that period. It's never been off by more than about 5-6 ft/lbs at midrange (75 ft/lbs), which is acceptable for a 150 lb 1/2" torque wrench before calibration.
When torquing multiple fasteners like head bolts, rod and main bolts, etc., EVEN torque is much more important than the actual torque figure. If your 1/2" torque wrench is off by, say, 10 ft/lbs at 120 ft/lbs, it's not the end of the world as long as it is consistently off by 10 ft/lbs at 120 ft/lbs.
If you handle a decent torque wrench properly, they stay within spec for a long time IMHE.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 10:37 PM
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mine leaves the case, gets set and used, gets wiped off and back in the case.

good tools last longer with good care.
 
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Old Aug 21, 2008 | 11:15 PM
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mine leaves the case, gets set and used, gets wiped off and back in the case.

good tools last longer with good care.
Yep. +1 That's the key.
 
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well dont forget to leave the wrench set back to <30% of the maximum torque.

If you are building a motor you care about - have it checked *a lot*.

two friends, Gord and Lydia McConnel own(ed) a couple Mopars that spent considerable time gracing the covers of Mopar Monthly. Hers a 440 Bee, his a 340 TA 6 pack.

his wrench was off and he didnt know it and he loosened a rod cap and threw the rod going to the nats. That was a number matching car worth more than a lot of houses. He got a replacement - but it never was the same.
 
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Originally Posted by quaddriver
well dont forget to leave the wrench set back to <30% of the maximum torque.

If you are building a motor you care about - have it checked *a lot*.

two friends, Gord and Lydia McConnel own(ed) a couple Mopars that spent considerable time gracing the covers of Mopar Monthly. Hers a 440 Bee, his a 340 TA 6 pack.

his wrench was off and he didnt know it and he loosened a rod cap and threw the rod going to the nats. That was a number matching car worth more than a lot of houses. He got a replacement - but it never was the same.
Totally correct, if building a great Race motor. Here, we're discussing darn near stock, IIRC.
 
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