Notices
2004 - 2008 F150 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 Ford F150's with 5.4 V8, 4.6 V8 engine
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Ethanol Effects

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 16, 2008 | 10:01 PM
  #1  
Frd67cobra's Avatar
Frd67cobra
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Ethanol Effects

Now that we're being forced to run ethanol-laced fuel in our trucks, I'm just curious as to any effects this stuff has on our valves and seats after many miles. Has anyone yanked a set of heads after 100k miles of ethanol, and how do they compare to a like mileage set run on non-ethanol? Any unusual deposits? Besides the lower fuel economy, is this something else we should be concerned with regarding ethanol?
 
Reply
Old Aug 16, 2008 | 10:04 PM
  #2  
Capbyrd's Avatar
Capbyrd
Senior User
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 225
Likes: 0
From: Memphis
Below is a quote from the SVTOA Memphis thread about ethanol. I know that what he has to say is geared towards performance cars but it should provide some insight into local experiences with Ethanol and tuning.


Originally Posted by Joe@Dynospeed
This is what I have found out doing some research for vehicle's running 10% ethanol in their fuel.

93 Octane (no ethanol) stoich air/fuel ratio is 14.64. This is perfect air fuel at idle and part throttle. Wide open throttle air/fuel for your vehicle should be between 12.8 - 13.2. This is for a bolt on vehicle without heavy engine modifications.

93 Octane (with 10% ethanol) stoich air/fuel ratio is 14.1. When ethanol is added to the gasoline, you will have to run about 5% richer in the tune. Wide open air/fuel ratio should be 12.3 - 12.7. This is for a bolt on vehicle without heavy engine modifications.
 
Reply
Old Aug 16, 2008 | 10:42 PM
  #3  
Frd67cobra's Avatar
Frd67cobra
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Capbyrd
Below is a quote from the SVTOA Memphis thread about ethanol. I know that what he has to say is geared towards performance cars but it should provide some insight into local experiences with Ethanol and tuning.
Well that would seem to suggest the richer mixture required for running ethanol would leave more deposits, unless the ethanol helps the A/F mixture burn more completely. Which brings up another question... If ethanol leaves more deposits, could that be a contributing factor (other than the poor design ) to the 5.4 plug breakage issue?
 
Reply
Old Aug 16, 2008 | 10:45 PM
  #4  
Capbyrd's Avatar
Capbyrd
Senior User
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 225
Likes: 0
From: Memphis
I cannot see ethanol having anything to do with the plugs since it happens to all 5.4's and not just the Flex Fuel versions and also, trucks with hardly any miles at all have just as much likelyhood to break as do the high mileage trucks.
 
Reply
Old Aug 16, 2008 | 10:58 PM
  #5  
Frd67cobra's Avatar
Frd67cobra
Thread Starter
|
Senior User
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Capbyrd
I cannot see ethanol having anything to do with the plugs since it happens to all 5.4's and not just the Flex Fuel versions and also, trucks with hardly any miles at all have just as much likelyhood to break as do the high mileage trucks.
10% ethanol is in almost all brands of gas, Flex Fuel is E-85, I believe.
 
Reply
Old Aug 16, 2008 | 11:10 PM
  #6  
Capbyrd's Avatar
Capbyrd
Senior User
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 225
Likes: 0
From: Memphis
yes 10 percent is in it now. But it wasnt two years ago and people were still having the plug problems.
 
Reply
Old Aug 17, 2008 | 12:47 AM
  #7  
Tylus's Avatar
Tylus
MMNC (SS)(Ret)
Veteran: Navy
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 11,594
Likes: 144
From: SE Georgia
Club FTE Silver Member

I've been seeing the 10% fuel for 4-5 yrs now. That was always the "cheap" gas. It hasn't been until the last 2 yrs or so that the 10% gas has become so prevalent
 
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:16 PM.

story-0
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-1
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-2
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-3
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-5
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-6
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE
story-7
Ford Super Duty: 5 Things Owners LOVE, 5 Things They LOATHE!

Slideshow: Ranking the 5 things owners love about their Super Duty and 5 things they don't

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:36:49


VIEW MORE
story-8
Every 2026 Ford Truck Engine RANKED from WORST to FIRST!

Slideshow: Ranking all 12 Ford truck engines available in 2026.

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 13:32:20


VIEW MORE
story-9
The Best F-150 Deal of Every Trim Level (XL through Raptor)

Slideshow: The best Ford F-150 deal for every trim level (XL through Raptor)

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-21 15:59:01


VIEW MORE