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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 06:13 PM
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7.3 Swap Injectors.

I am swaping a 1997 long block with low miles into a 2001 superduty. Change over is a piece of cake. . .everything good so far. Turbo and wiring fit perfect. Right now I am swaping over injectors and noticed that the 1997 have an AB code injectors.

Isnt that a split shot ? Should I change them ?
Does that mean that the HPOP in this truck is the higher pressure one also, or should I change that ?

Thanks in advance !
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 06:28 PM
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use o1 hpop 17*,& yes ab's are splits


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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 07:52 PM
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Well, I thought the reason why FORD changed to the 17 degree higher pressure HPOP was because of the split injectors that need more oil pressure. . . . so if this 1997 has split injectors already, does it already have a 17 degree pump ?


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Will my computer in my 2001 truck control the 1997 AB split injectors ok . . . since that originally had AD injectors.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 10:56 PM
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97 truck should have AA code injectors. Only the early 99 trucks, and some 98 vans had AB's. Make certain of the year of the engine, and the injectors, they arent factory stock.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by WHITEPOWERSTROKE
Well, I thought the reason why FORD changed to the 17 degree higher pressure HPOP was because of the split injectors that need more oil pressure. . . . so if this 1997 has split injectors already, does it already have a 17 degree pump ?


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Will my computer in my 2001 truck control the 1997 AB split injectors ok . . . since that originally had AD injectors.
The 17* hpop didn't start till late 99 so you probably should change that also, and I may be wrong but I think the AB's are smaller than your AD's
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 11:32 PM
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I stole this from another site where it was posted by bigrpowr. It has good info that has not been disputed to my knowledge. Hope it helps. The 17*HPOP is the way to go regardless of the injector. It will fire both singles and splits.

Larger nozzles- By installing larger nozzles you are makeing the nozzles less restrictive so that more fuel will flow out of them with everything else being the same. Stock injectors with stock programming and larger nozzles will get more fuel out and make more power. Stock injectors only modified to have more fuel capacity with stock nozzles and stock programing will run exactly like stock injectors. In this case the only way to get more fuel out is with a chip to extend the open time of the injector and/or increase the Injection Control Pressure (<acronym title="Injection Control Pressure">ICP</acronym>) to push more fuel out the nozzle. On the same note if you say make a hybrid (installing a larger 7mm plunger and barrel out of a DT466/I530E injector) and leaving the intensifier piston the same will effectively reduce your injection pressure. This less injection pressure will make less pressure at the nozzle and will actually flow less fuel with a stock nozzle than a bone stock injector. So to get the fuel out without a chip you would need larger nozzles.

There is also a point where the stock nozzle just wont flow enough fuel to get the desired amount out in a realisitic time frame. That's why high capacity injectors require larger nozzles to use that capacity.

Codes- All powerstroke and T444Es come with A code injectors. A code injectors have a 6.0mm plunger and a 16mm intensifier piston. What this does is multiply the <acronym title="Injection Control Pressure">ICP</acronym> so that injection pressure is adiquate but not having to have huge amounts of <acronym title="Injection Control Pressure">ICP</acronym> like say in the 20,000 <acronym title="lbs per sq inch">psi</acronym> range. This difference give you approximately a 7:1 difference and therefore increases your injection pressure 7 <acronym title="lbs per sq inch">psi</acronym> for every 1 <acronym title="lbs per sq inch">psi</acronym> of <acronym title="Injection Control Pressure">ICP</acronym>.

All DT466s and I530E injectors are B codes. Of those some DT466s and all I530Es have a 7.1mm plunger, hense more fuel per mm of stroke, with a 17.5mm intensifier piston. This gives you approximately a 6:1 ratio. So no it will not have quite as high of <acronym title="Injection Control Pressure">ICP</acronym> as as the A codes but it's not as bad as it could be. However due to the larger intensifier piston they reqire much more high pressure oil to make the piston stroke the same distance. This is why you need a high pressure oil system with a higher capacity.

Hybrid injectors are taking the 7.1mm plunger and barrel out of a BD code I530E injector and installing it into an A code injector with a 16mm intensifier piston. As you could imagine the down fall is that the injection ratio is dropped to approximatly 5:1 further decreasing injection pressure. However with the smaller intensifier piston it requires no more oil than an equivilant A code yet it flows the same amount of fuel as a B code. The result is much more fuel capacity without the need for more high pressure oil volume.

A codes and B codes can be further broken down as well.

A and AA injectors came in the '94-'97 non-california trucks. They are all 90cc injectors and are single shots.

AB injectors came in the '97 cali, and all early '99 trucks. They are split shot injectors meaning they fire a small pilot shot before the main shot. These injectors flow 130-135cc of fuel.

<acronym title="Air Conditioning">AC</acronym> injectors are found in the high torque version of the T444E and do not come in any Powerstrokes. They have the same internals as the AB injectors with the exception of the single shot plunger and barrel. However due to them being single shot injectors they flow 160cc. This is due to the way the split shots work. They have a small passage that opens, much like a port in a two stroke engine, that are uncovered that bypass the injection pressure out the side of the barrel instead of out the end through the nozzle. Because of this pause a portion of the travel of the plunger does nothing for injecting fuel so a split shot injects less fuel for the same amount of travel as a single shot.

AD injectors are also split shot but flow 135-140cc of fuel due to a slightly longer plunger stroke. These are found in all late '99-'03 Powerstrokes and T444Es.

<acronym title="Auto Enginuity Software">AE</acronym> and AF injectors are essentially the same as AD injectors but were called a long lead injector that was used as an attempt to cure a "cackle" issue many people complained about.

BA, <acronym title="Ball Bearing">BB</acronym>, and BC injectors are essentiall all the same and are the same as <acronym title="Air Conditioning">AC</acronym> injectors but are found in some DT466s.

BD injectors are the only B codes with the larger 7.1mm plunger and barrel that are single shot injectors. These are the injectors people are usually talking about when they are talking about putting I530E injectors in their Powerstrokes.

BE injectors are essentially the same as the AD injectors but found in some '97-'99 DT466s.

EF, BG, BI, BJ, BN and BP injectors all have basicly the same capacity and are split shots. However the nozzles vary on them depending on application. They can be found in many DT466s and I530Es.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 11:33 PM
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HA HA! I know where you found those!
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperDoodie
HA HA! I know where you found those!
Good stuff is good stuff. No need to reinvent the wheel. We don't mention other forums here unless we're inviting trouble.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 11:43 PM
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Thanks Mike thats a lot of good info there.
 
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Old Jun 21, 2008 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenn01PSD350
Good stuff is good stuff. No need to reinvent the wheel. We don't mention other forums here unless we're inviting trouble.
Yep, I agree!
 
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Old Jun 22, 2008 | 06:00 AM
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That is alot of good information . . . but I actually had read most of that before.


My question IS . . . since I found AB injectors in my 1997 truck engine. . . dose that mean I have the higher pressure HPOP in the 1997 engine as well ?

I personally am happy with the AB's and dont realy care about 5 - 10 cc more for what costs over a 1000 dollars just to get a couple more horsepower !?! So will my computer that was running AD injectors work ok with the AB injectors that I am thinking about keeping in the engine ?
 
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Old Jun 22, 2008 | 08:13 AM
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I will run, but might run a little choppy. Your probably going to want to get a reflashed chip tuned for AB's
 
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Old Jun 22, 2008 | 02:02 PM
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Someone I know just got rid of their bullydog tuner . . will that help with using the AB injectors at all ?
 
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