Finally going to modify, I need your input
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Finally going to modify, I need your input
ok guys, i am ordering stuff for my truck, 2001 f350 4x4 7.3psd. I am looking at a southbend clutch, the one that I found is for $575 including the flywheel, is this the best for this truck? Also, I am looking at an AFE stage 1 magnum force intake system, is this a good system or should I get the AIS system from ford? I am ordering a 4" exhaust with the muffler delete and a superchips 1705 max micro tuner. what do you guys think? Any and all input is welcome. 
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get some gauges too. stay clear of the superchips, been there done that. get either a dp tuner or ts chip with Tony Wildman tunes. southbend clutches are good. do a search for 6637 if you'd like to save some money.
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Welcome to FTE.
Before doing anything to your truck, do some reading in here. Also, look in my sig and you can see what I have on my truck. I have an auto. Forget superchip, I ran one 4 years before I found FTE. The DP-TUNER 60t is stronger then the high performance in superchip.
Do yourself a huge favor and listen to these guys so you only have to do this once.
1. gauges
2. intake, Look at the 6637.
3. exhaust I like MBPR
4. DP-TUNER.
Before doing anything to your truck, do some reading in here. Also, look in my sig and you can see what I have on my truck. I have an auto. Forget superchip, I ran one 4 years before I found FTE. The DP-TUNER 60t is stronger then the high performance in superchip.
Do yourself a huge favor and listen to these guys so you only have to do this once.
1. gauges
2. intake, Look at the 6637.
3. exhaust I like MBPR
4. DP-TUNER.
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ok guys, i am ordering stuff for my truck, 2001 f350 4x4 7.3psd. I am looking at a southbend clutch, the one that I found is for $575 including the flywheel, is this the best for this truck? Also, I am looking at an AFE stage 1 magnum force intake system, is this a good system or should I get the AIS system from ford? I am ordering a 4" exhaust with the muffler delete and a superchips 1705 max micro tuner. what do you guys think? Any and all input is welcome.
I'll look for it...
On edit: Couldn't find it, they've done some cleaning up around here. Someone will have it saved and post, I'm sure.
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I have a superchip 1805 with a K&N high perf air filter. I'm getting 3-5 mpg better than without these. 3 in town, 5 if I don't have to stop.
I'm not disappointed with the superchip, but I haven't tried dp or others. Economy is what I was after. I'm adding guages though.
2000 f250 7.3L auto 4x4.
I'm not disappointed with the superchip, but I haven't tried dp or others. Economy is what I was after. I'm adding guages though.
2000 f250 7.3L auto 4x4.
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I think this is the post from Kris that Jet was referring to that talks about how to use $2000 for mods.
I installed a AFE Stage 1 Airbox and filter. Airbox is easy to install but the filter element is smaller than a 6637. I did it to get a cold air box without having to build one.
Glenn
<TABLE style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.4pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; mso-table-layout-alt: fixed; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 0in" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 6.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" vAlign=top width=624>People have all stated their opinion, so i will state mine too. They all have the same logic, more air in, more air out, and less EGT (exhaust gas temperature).
If you gave me $2000 and said "Here, modify it" this is what i would do. Prices indicate that you install them. or, bring it to me and i would gladly do it for you
-Intake filter- www.fleetfilter.com part 46637($20) or Napa part number 6637-($40)
-Exhaust- Mark Romriell (MKO Diesel performance) 5" exhaust, muffler-less or with a muffler, about $350 shipped, very reasonable in price. Look on ebay for this guy.
-Gauges- If you are good at wiring, you can get the kit and do it your own, all of the wiring and painting of the pod. Kits usually cost $300-350, or if you want to have them ready to slap on and hook up, you can get them pre-wired and all for about $400. Ill figure $400 into the price. I personally prefer the brand of gauges -Autometer, but there are others like DiProcol, Isspro and Spa digital gauges. The common three parameters are EGT temp (pre-turbo), transmission temp, and turbo boost. I bought my gauges from Garrett @ www.puredieselpower.com
-Now you have the ability to get air in and out and monitor the temperatures, it's time for a chip. The man to call for chips is Jody Tipton at www.Dp-tuner.com, he can set you up with a fully customized chip for YOUR truck and yours only. It is much better than a generic tuner or fueling box, such as Edge, Superchip, Bully Dog, and Diablosport. His chips range from one single file for $239, to a an amazing 16 position chip with every imaginable tune on it, for about $40 more per tune. I myself am going to get rid of the TS performance chip i have now, and get a DP tuner 8 or 9 position chip. so, lets say that a 6 position chip will cost around $450. You still have around $750 left after shipping. Want to keep going?
Read on.
-Now you will probably enounter some problems such as throwing a code when you really romp on the pedal. The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) thinks that the truck is running a stock program still, so it sees an abnormally high boost level, and it will throw a code. The fix for this is to go to www.itpdiesel.com, and buy a Overboost Regulator. It is about $45 or so, and it will get rid of this problem.
-Due to that chip adding more power to the engine, it has to force that power through the same transmission, that is not designed to handle the extra power. Call up Brian at BTS (brianstruckshop.com), and set up a custom-made transmission Valve Body. They run about $225, and if you tell Brian that you are running a Tipton chip, he can modify it custom for that chip. Also, tell Jody that you will be getting a BTS valve body (here we commonly call it a "BTS VB"), and he can tune the chip for the VB as well.
-A comfort mod is next, not one that produces power, but it makes the engine run smoother and quieter. there is a thing that is called a Stainless Steel High pressure Oil rail Crossover. It is a tube that adjoins the two oil rails (oil that is used to fire the injectors, 500psi-3000psi), and it acts as a shock absorber to make all 8 cylinders have relatively the same pressure. It is more expensive than a rubber version, but it's going to last forever, it's about $70. I believe you can get that at ITP when you buy that overboost regulator.
-Another comfort mod is to eliminate the quick-disconnect fittings on the suction-side of the fuel pump. The factory design has a crappy "mixing chamber" inside the tank, that lets air in the fuel, and the air in the fuel will cause the injectors to become louder, and it also shortens their life. Removing the Q/D's will also help prevent air from entering, as they work well under pressure, not so well under a suction. I believe this $40-70 mod can be purchased at ITP as well, a filter will be about $105 if added to the kit.
we have about $350 left.
-Your stock compressor wheel in the turbocharger will probably be hating life, as it tends to reach it's limit very quickly on the air it can push out of the turbo and into the engine, and it will shoot that air back out of the compressor, commonly called "surge". a cure for this is to install an aftermarket compressor wheel, designed to reduce or stop surge. it can be found cheapest at www.xtremediesel.com, for about $55.
While you are spending all of this money, i thought it would be nice to do some free or really cheap mods:
-rerouting the crankcase vent (CCV) to the atmosphere. the stock system reroutes this into the intake of the engine, and it's a dirty mess, as oil will seep out of the intercooler boots. You can do this mod for about $15, and the only thing i needed was a piece of 4" exhaust pipe, about 4" long, to replace the piece you remove. To get the gasses away from the engine, run a piece of 1/2" heater hose to whatever length you want it. I grew tired of the infamous cloud of mist coming out from under the truck, so i tied mine into my stacks. Look at the connector that is between your two rubber intake boots between the air filter and the turbo, you'll see what i mean.
Also, a FREE mod is to remove the foil on the driver's side intercooler pipe. It helps that whistle get a little louder, and it has no adverse affects. Disclaimer: it's a royal pain to get that stuff off. Let's spend some more money.
Some things that you want to keep track of, are transmission temps, and EGT temps. the transmission can get hot, so if you browse Ebay, you can get a 6.0L's transmission cooler (NEW) for about $100-125. installation is easy, several guys here have done it. The stock transmission cooler on these trucks sucks. I believe it is about the size of a keyboard. This new one is three times that size.
To reduce the EGT, a wise decision is to install another 6.0 part, this time an intercooler. It's a direct drop in, and some guys see a reduction in EGT of 100-150*, for about $100-150, again off ebay.
Well, i think this about depletes your fund. You will be out $2000, however the benefit in performance, and the massive grin on your face all the time is well worth the cost.
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Kris
I installed a AFE Stage 1 Airbox and filter. Airbox is easy to install but the filter element is smaller than a 6637. I did it to get a cold air box without having to build one.
Glenn
<TABLE style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.4pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; mso-table-layout-alt: fixed; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 0in" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 6.5in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" vAlign=top width=624>People have all stated their opinion, so i will state mine too. They all have the same logic, more air in, more air out, and less EGT (exhaust gas temperature).
If you gave me $2000 and said "Here, modify it" this is what i would do. Prices indicate that you install them. or, bring it to me and i would gladly do it for you
-Intake filter- www.fleetfilter.com part 46637($20) or Napa part number 6637-($40)
-Exhaust- Mark Romriell (MKO Diesel performance) 5" exhaust, muffler-less or with a muffler, about $350 shipped, very reasonable in price. Look on ebay for this guy.
-Gauges- If you are good at wiring, you can get the kit and do it your own, all of the wiring and painting of the pod. Kits usually cost $300-350, or if you want to have them ready to slap on and hook up, you can get them pre-wired and all for about $400. Ill figure $400 into the price. I personally prefer the brand of gauges -Autometer, but there are others like DiProcol, Isspro and Spa digital gauges. The common three parameters are EGT temp (pre-turbo), transmission temp, and turbo boost. I bought my gauges from Garrett @ www.puredieselpower.com
-Now you have the ability to get air in and out and monitor the temperatures, it's time for a chip. The man to call for chips is Jody Tipton at www.Dp-tuner.com, he can set you up with a fully customized chip for YOUR truck and yours only. It is much better than a generic tuner or fueling box, such as Edge, Superchip, Bully Dog, and Diablosport. His chips range from one single file for $239, to a an amazing 16 position chip with every imaginable tune on it, for about $40 more per tune. I myself am going to get rid of the TS performance chip i have now, and get a DP tuner 8 or 9 position chip. so, lets say that a 6 position chip will cost around $450. You still have around $750 left after shipping. Want to keep going?
Read on.
-Now you will probably enounter some problems such as throwing a code when you really romp on the pedal. The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) thinks that the truck is running a stock program still, so it sees an abnormally high boost level, and it will throw a code. The fix for this is to go to www.itpdiesel.com, and buy a Overboost Regulator. It is about $45 or so, and it will get rid of this problem.
-Due to that chip adding more power to the engine, it has to force that power through the same transmission, that is not designed to handle the extra power. Call up Brian at BTS (brianstruckshop.com), and set up a custom-made transmission Valve Body. They run about $225, and if you tell Brian that you are running a Tipton chip, he can modify it custom for that chip. Also, tell Jody that you will be getting a BTS valve body (here we commonly call it a "BTS VB"), and he can tune the chip for the VB as well.
-A comfort mod is next, not one that produces power, but it makes the engine run smoother and quieter. there is a thing that is called a Stainless Steel High pressure Oil rail Crossover. It is a tube that adjoins the two oil rails (oil that is used to fire the injectors, 500psi-3000psi), and it acts as a shock absorber to make all 8 cylinders have relatively the same pressure. It is more expensive than a rubber version, but it's going to last forever, it's about $70. I believe you can get that at ITP when you buy that overboost regulator.
-Another comfort mod is to eliminate the quick-disconnect fittings on the suction-side of the fuel pump. The factory design has a crappy "mixing chamber" inside the tank, that lets air in the fuel, and the air in the fuel will cause the injectors to become louder, and it also shortens their life. Removing the Q/D's will also help prevent air from entering, as they work well under pressure, not so well under a suction. I believe this $40-70 mod can be purchased at ITP as well, a filter will be about $105 if added to the kit.
we have about $350 left.
-Your stock compressor wheel in the turbocharger will probably be hating life, as it tends to reach it's limit very quickly on the air it can push out of the turbo and into the engine, and it will shoot that air back out of the compressor, commonly called "surge". a cure for this is to install an aftermarket compressor wheel, designed to reduce or stop surge. it can be found cheapest at www.xtremediesel.com, for about $55.
While you are spending all of this money, i thought it would be nice to do some free or really cheap mods:
-rerouting the crankcase vent (CCV) to the atmosphere. the stock system reroutes this into the intake of the engine, and it's a dirty mess, as oil will seep out of the intercooler boots. You can do this mod for about $15, and the only thing i needed was a piece of 4" exhaust pipe, about 4" long, to replace the piece you remove. To get the gasses away from the engine, run a piece of 1/2" heater hose to whatever length you want it. I grew tired of the infamous cloud of mist coming out from under the truck, so i tied mine into my stacks. Look at the connector that is between your two rubber intake boots between the air filter and the turbo, you'll see what i mean.
Also, a FREE mod is to remove the foil on the driver's side intercooler pipe. It helps that whistle get a little louder, and it has no adverse affects. Disclaimer: it's a royal pain to get that stuff off. Let's spend some more money.
Some things that you want to keep track of, are transmission temps, and EGT temps. the transmission can get hot, so if you browse Ebay, you can get a 6.0L's transmission cooler (NEW) for about $100-125. installation is easy, several guys here have done it. The stock transmission cooler on these trucks sucks. I believe it is about the size of a keyboard. This new one is three times that size.
To reduce the EGT, a wise decision is to install another 6.0 part, this time an intercooler. It's a direct drop in, and some guys see a reduction in EGT of 100-150*, for about $100-150, again off ebay.
Well, i think this about depletes your fund. You will be out $2000, however the benefit in performance, and the massive grin on your face all the time is well worth the cost.
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Welcome to FTE.
Before doing anything to your truck, do some reading in here. Also, look in my sig and you can see what I have on my truck. I have an auto. Forget superchip, I ran one 4 years before I found FTE. The DP-TUNER 60t is stronger then the high performance in superchip.
Do yourself a huge favor and listen to these guys so you only have to do this once.
1. gauges
2. intake, Look at the 6637.
3. exhaust I like MBPR
4. DP-TUNER.
Before doing anything to your truck, do some reading in here. Also, look in my sig and you can see what I have on my truck. I have an auto. Forget superchip, I ran one 4 years before I found FTE. The DP-TUNER 60t is stronger then the high performance in superchip.
Do yourself a huge favor and listen to these guys so you only have to do this once.
1. gauges
2. intake, Look at the 6637.
3. exhaust I like MBPR
4. DP-TUNER.
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Welcome to FTE.
Before doing anything to your truck, do some reading in here. Also, look in my sig and you can see what I have on my truck. I have an auto. Forget superchip, I ran one 4 years before I found FTE. The DP-TUNER 60t is stronger then the high performance in superchip.
Do yourself a huge favor and listen to these guys so you only have to do this once.
1. gauges
2. intake, Look at the 6637.
3. exhaust I like MBPR
4. DP-TUNER.
Before doing anything to your truck, do some reading in here. Also, look in my sig and you can see what I have on my truck. I have an auto. Forget superchip, I ran one 4 years before I found FTE. The DP-TUNER 60t is stronger then the high performance in superchip.
Do yourself a huge favor and listen to these guys so you only have to do this once.
1. gauges
2. intake, Look at the 6637.
3. exhaust I like MBPR
4. DP-TUNER.
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https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...confusion.html This is Kris's link. Take a good look. Great advise. Check post 18
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ok guys, i am ordering stuff for my truck, 2001 f350 4x4 7.3psd. I am looking at a southbend clutch, the one that I found is for $575 including the flywheel, is this the best for this truck? Also, I am looking at an AFE stage 1 magnum force intake system, is this a good system or should I get the AIS system from ford? I am ordering a 4" exhaust with the muffler delete and a superchips 1705 max micro tuner. what do you guys think? Any and all input is welcome.
Welcome to FTE.
Before doing anything to your truck, do some reading in here. Also, look in my sig and you can see what I have on my truck. I have an auto. Forget superchip, I ran one 4 years before I found FTE. The DP-TUNER 60t is stronger then the high performance in superchip.
Do yourself a huge favor and listen to these guys so you only have to do this once.
1. gauges
2. intake, Look at the 6637.
3. exhaust I like MBPR
4. DP-TUNER.
Before doing anything to your truck, do some reading in here. Also, look in my sig and you can see what I have on my truck. I have an auto. Forget superchip, I ran one 4 years before I found FTE. The DP-TUNER 60t is stronger then the high performance in superchip.
Do yourself a huge favor and listen to these guys so you only have to do this once.
1. gauges
2. intake, Look at the 6637.
3. exhaust I like MBPR
4. DP-TUNER.
VB would be best, but I have the DP and stock VB. Just let Jody know and he will set it up either way for you.
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Get the BTS VB the first time and do it right, it is very simple just a little messy. For gauges get a good set of Isspros or Di optix's from Diesel Manor, a good budget intake is a 6637 as mentioned with a Pete's Filter Cover, MKO offers the cheapest and one of the best 4in Exhaust systems on the WEB.
The DP tuner or TW chip is the best and most cost efficent way to go with these trucks just need to throw on an Overboost Anilator to keep from throwing a code and defueling. The WW or ATS turbo housing is a good investment to keep the surge down.
The DP tuner or TW chip is the best and most cost efficent way to go with these trucks just need to throw on an Overboost Anilator to keep from throwing a code and defueling. The WW or ATS turbo housing is a good investment to keep the surge down.
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Thanks for all the input fellows, there is really alot to think about, going to NAPA to check out the 6637, probably going to call DP Tuners, need to get a good set of gauges, going to get the upgraded compressor wheel, MBRP 4" exhaust (turbo Back), still need a clutch; southbend or luk?