Both the Ottomind 6 and the Six Gun will keep the DPF in place. After all, removing it is not only a violation of the federal clean air act but can get you into serious warranty trouble. Both tuners will be undetectable by the dealer and their installation is very simple, only requiring you to plug in 3 connectors. There are no extra sensors needed for installation (no drilling your manifolds either). Both tuners control the flow of information both to and from the factory ECM. Basicly the ECM will have no idea what's going on though we do reccommend you un-plug the tuner before going in for service.

 

I read this info on the banks setup and i become concerened, how are you making the extra power?????? Im gonna throw a guess more timming and boost with little adjustments to fuel. Whats the results, increased CP's that put alot more stress on the engine. Just my opnion.

 

Actually it's a combination of altering rail pressure, injection timing, and injector pulse width. Obviously this has to be done at the correct point in the engines rotation and in balance with engine load and throttle position. Timing is extremly critical for not only good performance but a clean burn. For example, our drag race truck, the Type-D, up until now was making over 1200hp on a single, stock CP3 fuel pump from an LBZ pick up truck. By comparison most other trucks were adding a second fuel pump after they reached the 600hp mark.

 

jbarker- is your system currently available? And, when out of warranty and if you're only offroad...do you have a DPF delete option in your programming?

 

The first release on these should be in the next 6-8 weeks. I'll let you guys know when it's ready to go. The first version WILL NOT remove the DPF. The display will clear the code but it will simply come right back. Later this year were going to release our new BankSpeed line of tuning systems that will, for off road use only, allow you to remove the DPF/CAT and write your own custom tunes. You won't need a lap-top for this as the PDA will do it and we are going to provide a very wide range of base tunes you can start with. For example, if you want to start with a tune like what we use in our 7 second drag truck, no problem! The only limitation will be how many parts you want to risk breaking

 

jparker
correct me if I'm wrong but the new ford's supposedly record any tuner plugged into the computer whether it is a programmer or just a computer to read trouble codes.
Short version: black box or similar to your hard drive on any computer
just repeating what i have been told by many mechanics and other motor heads as well.

 

The new Ford ECM will keep record of any programming device downloading an aftermarket tune. Those are very easily detected. The ECM also records things like regen cycles, rail pressures, max rpm's, top speeds as well as everything else with the engines opperation. In theory this would allow the dealer to detect a harness tuner like our Six Gun or Ottomind 6. However, we not only control the signals being sent to the engine but we also control the signals going back to the computer. The factory ecm will be reciving information which is exactly stock. The only part of this that can get sticky is the regen cycles. The DPF can only handle just so many regen cycles before it's breaks up. Ford knows about how many regen cycles it will take before the catalyst inside falls apart, so the computer counts them. If your regens suddenly jump higher it will be a very good indicator that you have tampered with the tune in some way. This is why a clean tune is so important. Our Six Gun (on the top setting) will run 1% cleaner then stock, the Ottomind 6 (also on the max power setting) will run about 8% cleaner then stock.

 

[quote=jbarker_bankspower;6331693]Actually it's a combination of altering rail pressure, injection timing, and injector pulse width. Obviously this has to be done at the correct point in the engines rotation and in balance with engine load and throttle position. Timing is extremly critical for not only good performance but a clean burn. quote]

Have you done CP testing on your tuning. Too much timing and your CP's go out the roof and you usually end up with head gasket issues running a stock configuration. If sure your race motors had studs and alot of other goodies.

 

What do you mean by 8% cleaner? 8% less soot? NOX, CO, CO2 (now that they want to call that a pollutant)? I would think if there was a way to make this engine run cleaner, which would mean less , and better fuel economy, Ford would do it from the factory. What am I missing here?

 

jbarker: I've got an 08 F-350 4x4 373 limited slip rear end standard cab and transmission. I currently get about 17 mph hiway driving @ 70 mph. The stock truck is pretty powerful, although I wouldn't mind a little more power for up hill passing, my main concern is milage. I'd like to get something better than 20 mpg when cruising @ 70 mph. If I drive much faster than that I accure too many tickets. So I have a couple of questions about ottomind and dpf delete.

From what you've said earlier one would expect about a 3 mpg improvement in milage from installing the otto mind with intake and exhaust systems. Another individual here reports that dpf removal will result in 30 extra hp. Since I'm in central BC, Canada, we have lots of cool air up here, there would be no need to change the inter cooler, correct? Also because I'm in a small town of 2,500 people with little heavy industry, I can take off the dpf in good enviromental conscience. Will the otto mind run properly with the dpf removed? And could I reasonably expect 22 mpg when cruising @70 mph, with these modifications: otto mind, air intake, exhaust and dpf removal? Also I assume with said modifications my power increase would be in the neighborhood of 100hp and 200ft*lb tq @ maximum setting? I assume the power increases would be around 50hp and 100ft*lb tq when set for for maximum milgae and also that the engine would burn somewhat cleaner at the lower setting than at the max?

And of course one final question about these up-graded systems: Will the added power significantly increase the likelyhood of damaging the power train of my truck? Also I'm inclined to believe Banks is probably the best/most responsible aftermarket company , consequently I'm asking you these questions.

 

I like banks and bought into the 6 gun on the 6.0 liter. Great power and reliability. Truck sat at the dealer for 6 months while I fought with Ford to get them to put the motor back together after the headgaskets were puking. I still think Banks does a good job with engineering but don't bank on them helping you once their product messes up your truck or Ford states it did. It is an aftermarket chip and even though someone states it is cleaner and better, Ford believes their tuning is what is best for the motor and Tranny. My dealer will void the warranty if the exhaust is modified in anyway so how am I supposed to change out the exhaust every time I take my truck in???? Translation------leave it stock......Until the warranty is up.

JBarker, is it literally a plug into the stock wiring harness without gauges and drilled holes or is it similar to the six gun on the 6 liter?

 

So Banks WILL have a kit to remove the DPF/Cat later this year??

 

The race tune will be out in December.

 

[quote=SANDDEMON08;6339580]Actually we have done very extensive cylinder pressure testing. The engine will eaisly tolerate horspower levels above 200hp over stock. The DPF however will not (to much soot production). For that reason we are going to limit our tune to 118hp and 235lb-ft at the ground. The pressure levels were well within what the head gaskets could tolerate and we experienced no head gasket leaks even at the highly elevated power levels.

 

[quote=jbarker_bankspower;6346768]Thats go information to know