Ok, so it may not be from the most reputable source, still another possible notch in the post for those who don't believe in global warming.

 

its both happening in different parts of the world. north and south poles are losing more ice year after year. china has cooled, the northern us had a ton of snow this year.

natural cycles happen, but no doubt man is CONTRIBUTING, not saying causing, thats 2 different things.

start your car up, c02 goes into the air, atmosphere traps it, its as easy as 1 plus 1.

but yeah natural cycles do happen and probably is happening



put it this way could you imagine north carolina covered with a couple of hundred feet of ice??? supposedly between 10k and 20k years ago it was

 

I heard this on the news this am. Of course, I have been hearing news much like this for some time now as I listen for it. I never believed the "global warming" scare anyhow.

There isn't even conclusive evidence or agreement on the effects man has on the world's climate, overall. At first I wondered what else could "they" go after? In the early '90's "they" got over 90% of the sulfur out of the Diesel fuel, auto emissions were well controlled, coal fired power plants were installing "scrubbers" and getting cleaner; what else could there be to control? Then I started hearing mutterings about CO2.

I suspected then that CO2 would become the poster child of the "global warmists" even before most of them knew what their next cause celeb would be.....

As each "pollutant" was corralled, controlled and exterminated the fever pitch of the "global warmists", or whatever they called themselves at that time, rose evermore; there would always be a new pollutant to control.

Now, anyone with a basic understanding of 9th grade earth science (do they still have that?) knows the by-products of complete combustion are these:

1) water vapor and
2) carbon dioxide! Hmm...what a surprise...two relatively inert and harmless by-products...OH! and don't forget, these two things are entirely necessary for something else to occur....

something the "global warmists" NEVER admit aloud: plant life, photosynthesis....the basic provider for all forms of life.

The "global warmists" never tell about the studies done by one of the big agricultural universities (can't remember which...Iowa, Illinois, Cornell maybe) some decades ago. These studies found that an elevated level of a certain gas actually helps plants grow better and faster. They found a slight increase (few %) in CARBON DIOXIDE helped plants grow better, yield more. And if the plants are doing that, what is their by-product? What is the by-product of photosynthesis? Were you in science class?

OXYGEN! Gee! That's what we need to breathe. Oh my! Why don't the "global warmists" ever mention any of that?

Think of it: increased crop yields with fewer inputs, faster growing trees, all other plants and more oxygen to boot!

And even IF there is a slight warming in the earth's climate someday...

THINK of the hundreds of millions of acres that will become economically viable for crop production across wide swaths of Canada and Siberia. We might end world hunger as a result of climactic warming worldwide...could happen!

I'm not ragging on you freirefishing. And Roger on the glaciers covering much of North America...we know all about that here in upstate NY with our Finger Lakes and almost every hill and valley running basically North to South.

I've actually searched the net looking for figures trying to learn if there is even enough snow and ice held in the polar ice caps to raise ocean levels the amount "Big Al" Gore says they will rise.

We have to remember that the earth's surface is covered only 25% or so by land...that's 3/4 ths covered by oceans. That's a lot of surface area.

We also have to remember that water, in its frozen form is about 10% greater in volume than in its liquid form, so if the glaciers do melt, their volume will shrink by about 10% when they become water.

And we also have to remember that there is land, some of it with mountains, beneath some of the polar ice caps, reducing that volume somewhat more.

There are many questions I would like to have answered before I would give away my beachfront property (that I don't actually own).

 

I actually inject CO2 into my 110 gal aquarium for all my plants and now I don't even have to run airstones, because the by product is oxygen, which the plants release at night.

 

i grow veges and such, and supplement extra c02 myself, they can handle extra, but can only chew as much as it can swallow, plants dont due anything with excess c02, it just stays in the air.

 

According to the climatologist watching sun spots which they have an actual long record of correlation, we are headed into about a 40 year long ice age. The other reports I have seen state that 1 major vulcanoe erupting puts more stuff in the air then man does in one year. The global warming is not even being supported yet by the scientist that study this, only the management which needs to be polictically correct to get research grants and funding. not saying it couldn't happen but the book is still out on this one. Don't hurt none to clean up our act but currently there don't appear to be the need for a crash program that would raise taxes and cost jobs.

 

The Mount St. Helens eruption around 1987/8 put more pollutants into the upper atmosphere than mankind had done in the whole of human history. Over the last few thousand years increases in global temperatures were followed about 200yrs. later by corresponding rises in CO2-not the other way around as Al Gore says. Due to a cold flow of water in the Pacific they are predicting global cooling in `08.

 

For everything you hear to support global warming there is another to refute it. One thing that made total sense to me was a program I watched about the solar system on the history channel. They were describing the climates on the other planets. Some planets were -100 at night and +200 during the day. Wind speeds averaging in the 100's of miles per hour. All the planets are this way. The reason was the lack of a atmosphere. The suns radiation created so much energy causing the heating and the lack of atmosphere causing the rapid cooling. With these incredible temperate gradients the air movement was outrageous causing such high winds. This does not happen on earth.

WHY?

Simple.....2/3rds of the planet is covered by water. We have a stable atmosphere that buffers our planet from what the other planets experience. It seems that our oceans are too powerful. If water can combat the sun.....it certainly can cambat humans.

If global warming is happening and the ice caps are melting.....wouldn't that alone stop global warming with inceased liquid water to stabilize?

All I know is the ENTIRE WORLD depends on fossil fuels for everyday life. IT CAN'T be restricted and still have the prosperity in the world. Alternative fuels will take, in my estimation, 50-75 years to become practical.

We have a ski resort near me boasts how they erected a GE wind turbine to generate 75% of thier annual electricity needs. Good for them. They fail to mention that the turbine cost them 7 million dollars to install. It will take 100 years to see any monetary benefit. So pray tell, how does the average Joe figure into this.

I am in the process of building a home. All the GREEN products are double to triple the cost. Trex decking for example. Recycled asphalt shingles that looks like cedar shakes is another example. 2-3 times the cost of conventional.

I don't know. People sure get all up in arms on both side of the issue. Bottom line is we are all pawns to the fights. We will feel the results no matter what happens. Believe what you want but the avarage Joe has to sit back and take what ever come down the pike.

 

Follow the money !

 

if im correct volcanoes erupt and spew sulfur dioxide which has a cooling effect rather then co2 with a warming effect

 

Volcanic dust blocks the sun rays, hence a cool down. It could be months or years, depending on the size of the eruption as to when the cooling cycle would end.

 

So when we come back from a cooling spell from volcanic activity we can all run around worried about all the "warming going on (again).

 

Actually it was 1980, but I also read that more pollutants were spewed into the air
than mankind has in human history. True or not?

 

I vote Global warming...I don't know about other places, but we didn't get any measureable snow in southeastern Pennsylvania (North of Philadelphia)this winter. I used the least amount of heating oil in seven years for my home.

 

I know; Lets rename it..........."Global Lukewarm", or "Global Placid".

Maybe even "Global Tepid".