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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 09:01 PM
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turning radius

I would like to improve the turning radius on my truck. Its an 89 f-250 with a dyna trac 60 front axle. The previous owner had the aftermarket axle installed and its a little bit wider than stock. (my front tires stick out about an inch further than my rear ones) I am thinking this is why my truck turns so poorly. I mean it is very hard to pull into a parking spot or make a turn on down town streets. I will soon be using it for my business to pull a trailer and really need to correct this problem. I was thinking maybe a drop pitman arm might help the situation since it seems to sit higher than stock. Any suggestions?
 
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 09:09 PM
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Your turning radius has a lot to do with your wheel base, the longer the wheel base the wider the turning radius.
 
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 09:16 PM
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Its a single cab long bed. so its not real long. Its just seems like the tires wont turn far enough.
 
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 11:15 PM
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The stock axle probably won't be much better. I have the f250 with the stock IFS (4x4) and the thing hardly turns at all. My buddy with the same year f350 with a monobeam can turn on a dime (for a full size truck), but the axle chews up the front tires... You could swap it with the stock monobeam axle....
 
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 11:19 PM
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So what can be done to get more range how far the wheels turn before lockout?
 
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 11:33 PM
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I'm not sure that there is too much you can do... Alltho if there is, I sure would be glad to hear about it.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 12:19 AM
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My bronco turns tighter than any other car I've drove, but it only has a D44....I'm looking for something bigger, ya wanna trade?
 
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jchilcot
So what can be done to get more range how far the wheels turn before lockout?
Not much because the tires will be rubbing on the springs.
You have a 133" wb, right?
gweeds is right.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by gweeds
The stock axle probably won't be much better. I have the f250 with the stock IFS (4x4) and the thing hardly turns at all. My buddy with the same year f350 with a monobeam can turn on a dime (for a full size truck), but the axle chews up the front tires... You could swap it with the stock monobeam axle....
Well I wasn't really thinking about swapping axles, I was hoping something in the steering geometry could be corrected. Actually it should be the same axle except for the width. The arm (not sure what its called) coming off the pitman arm is at a huge angle. Thats why i thought a drop pitman arm might straighten it out a little and give me some more range. i'll take a picture post it later.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ArdWrknTrk
Not much because the tires will be rubbing on the springs.
You have a 133" wb, right?
gweeds is right.
I didn't consider that. I'll check that out also.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 11:30 AM
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Get a slightly narrower offset for the rear wheels. That seems to help, if you don't mind the look.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 12:42 PM
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If you shorten the steering arms on the front spindles, you will have more rotation of said spindle for a given amount of tie rod/pitman arm movement, and if there is enough clearance between the tires/frame and the crosslink/rods and the various chassis components, you can increase your turning ratio that way.

Truck bits are cast iron - fun to cut and weld as compared to other materials.

I did this on my 1993 Continental - the spindles were cast aluminum thus much easier to cut off the arms, shorten, then TIG weld back in place. Noticably decreased the turning radius, though my purpose in doing this wasn't specifically to decrease turning radius, but instead make the front end more sensitive to steering wheel movement. Seemed to be less work (at the time) than engineering a different steering rack ratio in a car with absolutely zero aftermarket support of any kind.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by frederic
If you shorten the steering arms on the front spindles, you will have more rotation of said spindle for a given amount of tie rod/pitman arm movement, and if there is enough clearance between the tires/frame and the crosslink/rods and the various chassis components, you can increase your turning ratio that way.

Truck bits are cast iron - fun to cut and weld as compared to other materials.

I did this on my 1993 Continental - the spindles were cast aluminum thus much easier to cut off the arms, shorten, then TIG weld back in place. Noticably decreased the turning radius, though my purpose in doing this wasn't specifically to decrease turning radius, but instead make the front end more sensitive to steering wheel movement. Seemed to be less work (at the time) than engineering a different steering rack ratio in a car with absolutely zero aftermarket support of any kind.
Intresting... I think I have plenty of room between the tires and spings, it sounds reasonable, but I don't know how safe that would be. I didn't think cast was very easy to weld.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2008 | 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by waynaferd
Get a slightly narrower offset for the rear wheels. That seems to help, if you don't mind the look.
That could actually be part of the problem. It has 10 inch wheels with 33X12.50 tires. The offset is much wider than stock.
 
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Old Mar 30, 2008 | 01:04 PM
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The track on these truck is wider in front from factory . But with those tire you wont get much more turm out of it as you will be against springs.
 
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