bubba, your right, i have never owned or built one of these engines, because i've never wanted to waste my time and money. i do however have 1 429-4v, 2 429 cj's, a 428 cj, a sohc 427 cammer, and a 460 thats been punched out to 521 cu. i have built each and every one of these motors, and i can tell ya that not one of them makes less than 400 hp and the 427 and 460 make close to 700 and 800 hp respectivly. so i guess you could say i do know a little about ford motors. wheather it's a 400m or a blown 460, the princple of these motors are all the same.

now i wasn't trying to start any crap, and my point is that your m-block have weak bottom ends. the only thing that i saw in the posts above was about the heads, and yes these mills came with decent heads and thats it, and if it is such a great motor, why did they stop making them? i'll tell ya why, their hermaphrodites. in 71 or 72 when ford quit making the cleveland, they had to do something with all the parts left over, so they made the modified's or midland's, whichever you prefer, the clevelands had weak bottom ends also, which could be from the lack of oil, in which the modifieds inherited. so i'm not on a high horse, i'm just smart enough to know a bad motor when i see one.

and as far as dollar for dollar against a big block, i think that deep down you know you'd come up short alot more than 10-20%, you'd have to spend money on a modified just to match a stock big block. now who's being arrogant or ignorant?

 

>bubba, your right, i have never
>owned or built one of
>these engines, because i've never
>wanted to waste my time
>and money.

So you've never even owned OR built one of these engines and you obviously detest them. What are you doing in this forum then?! You have absolutely nothing of any value to contribute other than to tell people to switch them out for your precious big blocks and that's highly questionable.

AND since you haven't ever done anything with these engines I'd have to say your ignorance factor is quite high.

 

Cammer, don't bother. This a$$ thinks Ken passed on and he made himself self appointed ruler of all that's M. If you notice Bubba's responses they are actually fun to debate and go back and forth on. If you don't agree with this jerkoff you're ignorant or some other personal attack.

BTW, I agree with you. These motors OR HEADS are no where to be found on any major racing scene. They were an attempt by Ford to TRY and get big block power and still maintain EPA guidelines. It didn't work. I guess this thread should be titled: "351/400M;only reply if you have something good to say so as not to offend Bill Cryer."

 

hey bill, since you obviously know so much, maybe you could explain the difference in building or rebuilding an m-block and a big block. because you and bubba seem to think that because i have never had one of your motors, i don't know any thing about them. do they have different pistons? or intake manifolds? i know, maybe the cam is different, like maybe a square or triangle shape to it? are there special 351/400m shops that work on these blocks? tell me why, if i can build lets say a 428 cj, why i wouldn't be able to build a 400??? just because i've never had one doesn't mean i don't know anything about them, in fact it's my knowledge of them that i don't have one!!!!!!!!!as i've said in previous posts i have better things to spend my money on, by that i mean i like to get something for my money....

let me ask ya this, lets say i take a 400 and a 460 block to a shop, bore the blocks, have all the head work done, and for a goof, lets say i spent 3 grand on both blocks for parts and to be put back together. are you gonna expect me to believe that your 400 will make the kind of power that a 460 will make? please, although i do respect your loyality, but your beating a dead horse.

and lvstang, you are so right, i do so enjoy battling back and forth.



and to you little brain80bronco,,,,,,, before you go spouting off, get your facts straight. my 10 year old son would know you can't put small block heads on a big block....or maybe thats your age too.

 

Cammer,

The question was and is: Why are you here? You don't own an M block, you don't like M blocks, why would you bother to even subscribe to this topic?

The answer to your previous question is Yes...with the same amount of money I could build a 400 that would be comparable to a 460. It would probably not make quite the same horsepower but it would probably "out torque" it.

 

>Cammer, don't bother. This a$$ thinks
>Ken passed on and he
>made himself self appointed ruler
>of all that's M. If
>you notice Bubba's responses they
>are actually fun to debate
>and go back and forth
>on. If you don't agree
>with this jerkoff you're ignorant
>or some other personal attack.
>
>
>BTW, I agree with you. These
>motors OR HEADS are no
>where to be found on
>any major racing scene. They
>were an attempt by Ford
>to TRY and get big
>block power and still maintain
>EPA guidelines. It didn't work.
>I guess this thread should
>be titled: "351/400M;only reply if
>you have something good to
>say so as not to
>offend Bill Cryer."

Y'know if I were you Cammer I wouldn't exactly be thrilled to have this moron on my side.

 

thats funny, i didn't see anything that says 351/400m ONLY, but anyway, i'd sure like to hear how you can a take a small block, that's junk to start with, and make it comparable to a 460, and especially how you can out torque it. by the way, what's your definition of comparable? i'm guessing you were refering to hp, i have a 780 hp blown 460, now here's the tricky part, bill, how do you think you can even come close to that with a small block??? you said you could with the same amount of money!!!!!! and don't give me any of that "out torque" crap.

now i think your the moron, sitting there on your little computer, probably at the public library, bashing anyone who doesn't agree with you, and you've got some type of ford book quoting spec's like you really know what your saying, hell, i bet you don't even own a ford, probably drive a little 20 year old 4 banger datson, and sit around jerking off with pictures of ford's wishing you could afford one.

 

>thats funny, i didn't see anything
>that says 351/400m ONLY, but
>anyway, i'd sure like to
>hear how you can a
>take a small block, that's
>junk to start with, and
>make it comparable to a
>460, and especially how you
>can out torque it.
>by the way, what's your
>definition of comparable?
>i'm guessing you were refering
>to hp, i have a
>780 hp blown 460, now
>here's the tricky part, bill,
>how do you think you
>can even come close to
>that with a small block???
> you said you could
>with the same amount of
>money!!!!!! and don't give
>me any of that "out
>torque" crap.

Well if you read the page that lists the conferences it says 351M/400. That should have been your first clue ********.

Now the only "tricky" thing is trying to explain this to you in words short enough so you can understand them. Why couldn't I put a blower on my 400? It would still only be missing 60 cubes, have better heads and a longer stroke. I'm pretty sure it'll have 50 or so less horses but the longer stroke will give me more torque lower down than your 460.

Oh and BTW don't tell me you built a blown 460 for $3G 'cause you'd be lying.

Tell ya what. Why don't you and that numbskull "lvstang" sit down with your crayons and try to put everything the 2 of you know about the 335 series on paper...hmmm? I'm sure you won't need more than a matchbook cover, 2 if you write big.

Spare me your feeble attempts at insults. You really shouldn't come to a battle of wits unarmed pal.

 

well for one cammer a m is a big block and yes u can if u modify it. because i can give u the guys name if you are awhare of any kinda racin this man builds both dragster motors and dirt racing motors which i currently own a modified powered by a 358 chevy motor. hey its cheaper to build. but a agree a blown 460 fro 3,000? i dought it. and why do most bracket racers race a 302 or 347 heh? just wonderin. and before u tell me to look at the original qustion i think u should the question was what are the facts on a 351m not what motors should i put in my truck. i agree also that u would be close with a 400 and 460 on power for 3,000 but with only 3000 u aint gonnna have a great deal of power upgrade maybe 100 or 200 plus. my 358 puts out around 650 and got $7000 in it. so there ya go

 

>well for one cammer a m
>is a big block and
>yes u can if u
>modify it. because i can
>give u the guys name
>if you are awhare of
>any kinda racin this man
>builds both dragster motors and
>dirt racing motors which i
>currently own a modified powered
>by a 358 chevy motor.
>hey its cheaper to build.
> but a agree a
>blown 460 fro 3,000? i
>dought it. and why
>do most bracket racers race
>a 302 or 347 heh?
>just wonderin. and before
>u tell me to look
>at the original qustion i
>think u should the question
>was what are the facts
>on a 351m not what
>motors should i put in
>my truck. i agree
>also that u would be
>close with a 400 and
>460 on power for 3,000
>but with only 3000 u
>aint gonnna have a great
>deal of power upgrade maybe
>100 or 200 plus.
>my 358 puts out around
>650 and got $7000 in
>it. so there ya go
>

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Hey Cryer, this is the kind of mentality that's supporting your precious M motor. OMFG!!!! M or C heads will fit a 385 series(429/460) block!! LMAO, must be your little brother.

 

>
>Well if you read the page
>that lists the conferences it
>says 351M/400. That should have
>been your first clue ********.
>
>
>Now the only "tricky" thing is
>trying to explain this to
>you in words short enough
>so you can understand them.
>Why couldn't I put a
>blower on my 400? It
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That's a good one!!!! Let's see, I'll just run down to my local speed shop and buy all those blower manifolds for that ******* tall deck Cleveland......They're EVERYWHERE, and cheap too. Oh, I forgot Ms. Cryer is super machinist, he'll just whip one right up.
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>would still only be missing
>60 cubes, have better heads
>and a longer stroke.
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God you're STUPID!!! The 385 uses the same canted valve design heads AND the 429/460 both have better rod ratios(1.8&1.7 v 1.6 for the M) The rod ratio and cubes will more than make up for your ONE perceived advantage.
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I'm
>pretty sure it'll have 50
>or so less horses but
>the longer stroke will give
>me more torque lower down
>than your 460.
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B.S. That's why the M block is the block of choice for Ford trucks at mud bogs and pulling contests where torque is paramount. Oh? they're not? What a marrooon.
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>
>Oh and BTW don't tell me
>you built a blown 460
>for $3G 'cause you'd be
>lying.
>
>Tell ya what. Why don't you
>and that numbskull "lvstang" sit
>down with your crayons and
>try to put everything the
>2 of you know about
>the 335 series on paper...hmmm?
>I'm sure you won't need
>more than a matchbook cover,
>2 if you write big.
>
>
>Spare me your feeble attempts at
>insults. You really shouldn't come
>to a battle of wits
>unarmed
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>That's a good one!!!! Let's see,
>I'll just run down to
>my local speed shop and
>buy all those blower manifolds
>for that ******* tall deck
>Cleveland......

http://www.blowerdriveservice.com/CGI/racesearch_ec_1166.cgi?product_number=8436&descrip tion_id=1166

 

 

hey bill, i see you and your little brain 80bronco are back at the library, while your there, give your little brother there a book that explains the differences between the two blocks.

i never said i built my motor for 3 grand, only a moron would think that, my blower alone cost that. my block was bored to 4.625" and has a 5.000" stroke. so again i ask you how do you think a small block 400 is gonna come close to that. and as far as missing 60 cubes and 50 horses, your in fantasy land.


80bronco, i seriously doubt if you have the intelligence to stick a key in the ignition to start a motor, as typical with most chevy owners, and i don't know what world you live in, but most people would be thrilled with 100-200 extra horses under their hoods. and this man your refering too in your last post, is he the guy who told you small block heads will fit a big block, and that the 400 is a big block???? if i were you, i'd be more careful of who i listened too.

 

Are you bi-polar cammer or just too stupid to remember what you post from one to the next? You asked me if I could build a 400 that would match a 460 for $3G and I said yes. Now you bring up a "blown 460" which it obviously isn't if it's bored out and stroked, it's really about 672 CID now isn't it? So all of a sudden you're not getting 800 hp out of a 460 now are you? I could easily get a custom crank, rods & pistons for a 400 just like you did for the stroker you built. All it takes is $$$ which you obviously have more of than brain cells. Now do you actually have a point besides the one on the top of your head? Silly question, of course you don't, you're just another parrot whose only answer to a question about the 335 series is "Duh, swap it out..."

We're about done here. I think everyone knows who NOT to listen to for advice on M blocks.