If you have to worry about the cost of fuel, then you should have NEVER bought an Excursion. You sure will not me helping the US economy by buying a rice burner, I mean a Toyota. I would be ashamed to sell a quality Ford for a rice burner. Have a little patriotism!

 

I see yor point, but isn't the Taurus made in Canada?

 

It's actually made at Ford’s Chicago Assembly Plant.

 

We make cars here???

 

Absolutely, heres the wikipedia article on it.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Assembly

A picture also.

 

well people the avalon in made right here in the usa......i bought my excursion when fuel cost were ok not retarted ...oh and about having a little patriotism dose being a millatary veteran count I THINK SO !

 

First of all I appreciate your service to this country!

As far as the Avalon being built here in the USA, that's great. But the profits for that car don't all stay in the USA. Buying foreign cars also supports their company as a whole. Stop buying foreign and start buying American and the demand for American vehicles will go up! Then those foregn car factory workers can leave the foreign plants and work at USA car company.

So buying a foreign car just places the American companies into more hardships. For every foreign car in the USA that's one less American car on the road. If the current trend continues there will be a lot more automobile manufacturing employees employed by foreign companies. I think this is why people sometimes equate buying a foreign car to not being patriotic. I don't agree with that but I understand it!

Supporting foreign companies and helping to make them successful is what you are doing every time you buy a Toyota or a Honda and so on..... To justify it by saying "but there built here in the USA" is a very very shallow and incomplete obseravation.

You need to be careful with this issue, becasue people like my Grandparent fought for our country to give us this freedom. They fought Japan and it in many cases can be very offensive to that generation to see people help a company fro Japan prosper. Many people's families lost lives to fight in that war, including my family. Even though that was a long long time ago these subjects can become very sensitive. So take it easy on people that want to stand and defend eveything about the USA including USA car companies if they choose to do so!!

 

Very well said scottman70 , The Japanese wanted to take us over then but could not, but have found another way, selling us cars and buying US property ......

 

Support the Domestics???? If memory serves me correctly a number of the Toyota product (trucks and cars) lines are made in the USA and/or Canada. When is the last time you saw a Toyota automotive factory have ANY employee layoffs, in the USA/Canada or globally for that matter? How 'bout the domestics....ahem...Ooops! Why is this? I would suggest Toyota has a loyal brand following, why?......Because they have a solid business model which has created significant brand loyalty. Which car is the top selling model by vehicle units sold in the USA last year and why? What vehicle manufacturing Co'(s). have lost more money last year, had the greatest of employee layoffs for the domestics compared to Toyota.......

I would suggest that if it were not for the so called Japanese imports and others (thus greater competition) we (consumers) would be faced with continued inferior, sub par products such as cavitational porocity fiasco of the early 7.3 litre engines, continued CPS failures of 7.3 litre powerstrokes, 6.0 Powerstroke engines, early GM Diesel engines and on and on.......so called domestic products are challenging to support when there is a seemingly historic pattern of inferiority....

When you are speaking of loyalty and patriotism consider this.....of manufacturing companies operating in USA/Canada (in the automotive sector, i.e., Toyota, domestics) whom in the last five years has had no layoffs, no plant closures. In other words supported the local, regional and national economies in keeping people working (continued investments in) thus have had continual growth....and the so called domestics, where have they been positioned and have they actually tried to EARN the patriotism and loyalty of which you speak.....?

Scottman70 and 4X4X4RV have you guys not heard of the GLOBAL economy....? If the global economy turned their respective backs on the USA right now whom would suffer the most? Now just imagine currently, if the single largest suppling country (exporter) of oil to the USA said pass..... so you think your paying lots now....ay......Seems we are all in this together....me thinks......You guys make me howl with laughter at your seemingly jaded view as it relates to this post and I'm pleased the rest of the USA don't hold similar notions....

One last comment in terms of fuel prices......Whom do you think is the single greatest consumer (country) of fuel in the world???? And therefore has a significant role in determinimg it's gobal price? Your fuel out of pocket consumer cost continues to be a bargain....

falling off the soap box now....cheers....

jrc

 

Well I can say is, you are wrong! I will not even waste the time explaining it, because your so obviously wrong I will let you think about it and figure it out yourself!

 

I'm with you

 

Why do you think the Big Three have had to lay off workers? Yes, I know the company is at fault for not having everything squared away, however so is the consumer that continues to buy these foreign vehicles, therefore they are both at fault, like scottman70 said, for every foreign vehicle purchased thats one American automobile thats not. In terms of those "other" cars being more reliable, for every bad car from the Americans theres a bad one from the "others" , for every good car from Americans theres a good one from the others. Toyota and Honda, however have forced the The Big Three to start producing competative vehicles, which is good for us the consumer and the Big Three's own well being, thats something the foreign cars are good for.

Now that the Big Three are rolling out really nice and competative automobiles, hopefully my fellow Americans will change their mind and realize that the American cars are now just as good if not better than the "others" and start to help out these wonderful companies.

Andre

 

Tims01,

Hope you get it sold and find what you are looking for, don't think you could go wrong with your choice (Toyota) or a Honda.....We have owned two Hondas in our house, Civic Si and now a CRV and both vehicles have been top drawer automobiles. We have not had a lick of trouble with either and they hold thier respective resale values really well. Bought the Civi used in 1994 and kept if 'til 2005 put on just over 90,000 miles and did nothing other than oil, 1 set of brake and the odd tune up.....Have 45K miles on the CRV (2005) and has ran flawless except for 1 rear strut and the dealer replace both rears on warrenty.

Have supported FMC and continue to have a '96 F350 CC 7.3 and this one has been a reasonable truck (the 90 & 91 were very poor indeed what with bad paint, bad brakes, bad running gears, cavitational porocity of the '91 7.3......) albeit not near as reliable as the Hondas.....in face not even on the same page.....maintanence costs have been horrific on a comparitive basis...

Currently trying to justify a 4X4 SD CC or similar X but again when I reflect on my owner experience it's hard not to consider the Toyota Tundra CC....Bigger interior, awesome power plant (albeit gas) too bad no diesel.....yet....and great automotive track record compared to the domestics...IMO to "pull the patriotism rationale" is totally bunk, why would one support bad business practices......again and again....The Domestics REALLY have to pick it up serveral notches....

jrc

 

The domestics have already picked it up several notches, like I said previously most of their vehicles are just as competative if not better than the others.

 

Well, I know I have regretted selling my very first Ex. I went from an 00 Limited with an 8in lift to an 01 Ford Ranger. It took two weeks or so to realize I made a big mistake. Once you go Excursion, there is not much that can measure up.