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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by redvalley
Hey, what happened to the horney squirrel guy? Haven't heard from him in a while......
Hi Red ! Thank you for inquiring!

I have been busy getting my cow magnet/200mile per gallon carbuerator/perpetual motion machine and hydrogen generator package ready for sale.

Takes time to do this - ( much of the time is spent going out in the back-woods, to get signed statements from the "local boys" that my product not only helps them get better mileage, runs faster, improves their chances with the girls, but also makes their.....oh...never mind... )

Fortunately, thanks to the declining standards of public education, it is getting easier each year to find young people who arent troubled by basic high-school-level laws of physics and chemistry they were never taught in the first place...but.. not to worry - sure it costs me a few bucks for each "testimonial" letter, but what the heck - should make that money back in short order.....
 
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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 03:21 PM
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Given the fact that Ford, GM and Chrysler are going bankrupt due to high gas prices killing large vehicle sales, wouldn't they have implemented this to save truck sales? Truck sales are what kept the big 3 alive. If this was real they would have implemented it to save their asses. Contrary to what we like to believe sometimes, the engineers at the OEM's are very intelligent people. If this is such an easy thing to do, why haven't the manufacturers done this? Gee, lets all lose our jobs because I want the oil companies to make all of the money because we don't want to implement this simple solution. DO YOU THINK THEY ARE REALLY THAT STUPID??

The real technology is called hydrogen fuel cells. All of the OEM's are spending millions on developing it. It isn't fusion in a bucket. It's a real technology that the aerospace/defense industry has used for years. The manned space program has used it to power the electrical systems on their spacecraft since the 60's. There are a limited volume of vehicles, including some urban buses running on fuel cells. It is a very complicated technology.

Generating hydrogen in bucket in your engine compartment isn't going to do anything but make a fool out of you. The amount of hydrogen you could generate will be so small it will be insignificant.

If it's too good to be true, it ain't.
Nothing is going to double your gas mileage, NOTHING.
Your wasting your money and time.
Though this is a very entertaining post, I got a good laugh from it. I keep asking myself, are these guys serious? They can't really believe this stuff?
 
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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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50 years ago people were spending a bit of money on ADI injection kits for their cars. A bottle of ADI fluid diluted with water , bubbled & created ADI fumes that was inhaled by the induction system . People could alter the ignition timing & the fumes were supposed to prevent detonation . People who bought the units claimed all kinds of performance gains .
 
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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bnuvp
.....generating hydrogen in bucket in your engine compartment isn't going to do anything but make a fool out of you. The amount of hydrogen you could generate will be so small it will be insignificant.....

If it's too good to be true, it ain't. ......... I keep asking myself, are these guys serious? They can't really believe this stuff?........
Shame on you for making fun of these guys....just when I was trying to warm em up for my cow-magnet / 200 mile per gallon carbuerator....hey...wanna buy some booties for your squirrel....?
 
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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 06:12 PM
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I have been enjoying this thread, and encouraged. It is obvious that there is no real interest in this nonsense, as shown by the fact that it has just been the sock-puppets talking to themselves.

My apologies if there actually is a real person who is interested in this crap, remember "google" is your friend, just make sure you include "fraud" "scam" "junk-science" or such in your query, as to get accurate information.

And also remember even if you had been duped, it is sometimes noble enough
to simply serve as a warning to others.

I had already posted to another version of this thread, and wasn't going to do the world a disservice by giving this thread a bump, but what the heck...

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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CanadianSmokie
Dave, you really should look at stainless welding rods as your elctrodes instead of copper. I read somewhere that the disintegrating metal is actually making its way into your engine. I don't know if they were talking about copper but I would think the corrosion rate would be fairly high on that.

Just something to think about....

I'm working on some new electrodes now. I found some stainless 3/8 rod laying around and I'll use that. Should last longer than the welding rod, but won't be able to fit as many in (less surface area). With the copper the water turns a realy cool shade of aqua, kinda creapy. Thanks for the heads up.
 
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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 09:09 PM
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Stainless isn't good either, it still corrodes in the form of leeching rust into the water. While the electrode still looks good, it turns the water rusty, and not to mention stainless releases the very toxic chromium and vandium into water.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Lead Head
Stainless isn't good either, it still corrodes in the form of leeching rust into the water. While the electrode still looks good, it turns the water rusty, and not to mention stainless releases the very toxic chromium and vandium into water.
So what would you suggest to use for an electrode. How bad is the chromium and vanadium to me or the environment. I'll only be using 1/2 gal at a time so I shouldn't produce too much. I just found that rod laying around and figured it would last beter than the 14 gauge copper which lasted about 1 1/2 hours of run time before the positive side wasted away to nothing.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 12:26 AM
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I was reading that graphite would be a good material for the electrodes. It's used in EDM machines with minimal wear. Its chemically inert (I believe) and conducts electricity very well.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 09:38 AM
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Where could a guy source some graphite rods and how would you attach the power lines to the graphite electrodes? BTW what are the "smokie" and "fumoto" mods you have on your truck?
 
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Old Mar 10, 2008 | 07:13 PM
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If you know anyone that works in a machine shop that uses Electrical Discharge Machining, they can get you graphite pieces of many shapes and sizes. Maybe Ebay can be a good place to look....

The Fumoto mod is a brass and stainless petcock valve that you install permanantly in your oilpan. When you need to do an oilchange, just turn the ball valve to open and close. Comes in real handy for taking just a bit of oil out for an overfill or for an oil analysis.

The name 'Smokie mod' is kind of a joke. It refers to changing the caster of the X to the most positive setting possible using adjustable camber/caster shims. I wasn't the first to do it on here but thought it was my only chance to get a mod immortalized with my name, so I claimed it...lol
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 09:06 AM
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I can get my mind around that if you produced enough hydrogen you would get a "boost" with it.

Question I have is how many liter per hour do these hydrogen generators provide and how many liters per hour of air does a 7.3L diesel truck use (or a gasser)? Divide the two and would the ratio of hydrogen to air really be enough to provide enough "boost" to make any significant gains in fuel efficiency?
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 09:11 AM
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"I was reading that graphite would be a good material for the electrodes. It's used in EDM machines with minimal wear. Its chemically inert (I believe) and conducts electricity very well."

Just watch how fast a flyfisherman gets off the water during a thunder storm!
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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The amount of hydrogen is very small. The trick is just to aid the complete combustion of the fuel. Farmers have been doing this on tractors for 20 years. The engines last longer and burn cleaner
 
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 11:00 AM
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The amount of hydrogen is very small. The trick is just to aid the complete combustion of the fuel. Farmers have been doing this on tractors for 20 years. The engines last longer and burn cleaner
Damn...now I am REALLY mad. All that time wasted in courses in physics, chemistry, and metalurgy...statistical analysis.... I could have gone out to a farm, sat on a bale of hay, chewed on a weed-stem, and REALLY learned something about engineering from..a FARMER !

SOMEONE needs to get on the phone and call up all the engineers in the automotive industry and tell them where to find the real story...!
 
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