Propane injection for a Gas motor
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Originally Posted by aurgathor
You mean, like high compression and no spark plugs?
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Originally Posted by aurgathor
You mean, like high compression and no spark plugs?
I know a really crazy guy that has an older duracrapper that he put a homemade propane kit on with a 5 gallon propane bottle and a ball valve to adjust home much propane goes into the air intake.
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The diesel systems are triggered by engine load (vacumn) and release the lp into the manifold thru a metered orifice. A dual-fuel (bi-fuel) engine uses a mixer (air valve) that mixers fuel and air outside of the manifold and are connected usally by the oem air cleaner tubing. By not using a mixer to control the fuel you will run way to rich probaly backfire, stall and create some very pretty blue flames
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Fumigating propane into an EFI intake is bad idea because these intakes were never designed to convey air-fuel mixtures. Because propane is heavier than air, propane can separate from the air through centrifugal force in these manifolds which could result in some cylinders getting a different fuel mixture than the others.
The other problem is that the the large volumes contained by these intake manifolds can result in intake backfires due to fuel transport delay.
If you want to use propane, use a bi-fuel propane injection system.
Also, backfires are generally due to very lean fuel mixtures rather than rich mixtures. Rich propane mixtures can cause exhaust valves to burn.
Diesel/propane systems also are controlled by manifold pressure rather than load. There are only commercially available diesel/propane systems for turbocharged applications. The better systems use computer-controlled propane injection rather than a metered orifice or a mixer.
The other problem is that the the large volumes contained by these intake manifolds can result in intake backfires due to fuel transport delay.
If you want to use propane, use a bi-fuel propane injection system.
Also, backfires are generally due to very lean fuel mixtures rather than rich mixtures. Rich propane mixtures can cause exhaust valves to burn.
Diesel/propane systems also are controlled by manifold pressure rather than load. There are only commercially available diesel/propane systems for turbocharged applications. The better systems use computer-controlled propane injection rather than a metered orifice or a mixer.
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Propane on a diesel acts as a catalyst in the combustion reaction, improving the combustion and thus the power output of the engine. A diesel engine has no throttle and is capable of ingesting how ever much air can be crammed into the cylinders, while a gasoline engine has a finite amount of inlet air for a given condition that may be used in combustion. Whether the fuel is gasoline or propane, adding more of it without an increase in the amount of air available for combustion will not produce any additional power.
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There is a lot of misinformation on the internet and propane acting as a catalyst to improve diesel combustion is one of them. By definition, a catalyst is a substance that initiates or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected. Since propane is consumed in the reaction, it cannot possibly be considered a catalyst.
Diesels normally operate very lean which means they have a great deal of excess air in the combustion chamber. Propane is often added to consume some of this excess air. Diesels, therefore, produce less smoke with a diesel/propane dual fuel system because they are burning less diesel fuel in proportion at higher loads. For more information, Franz Hofmann explains this in better detail on his Dual Fuel web page.
Diesels normally operate very lean which means they have a great deal of excess air in the combustion chamber. Propane is often added to consume some of this excess air. Diesels, therefore, produce less smoke with a diesel/propane dual fuel system because they are burning less diesel fuel in proportion at higher loads. For more information, Franz Hofmann explains this in better detail on his Dual Fuel web page.
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Thanks for that correction - I definitely mis-used the term catalyst. However, diesels vary fueling primarily in relation to accelerator pedal position, whether this is done by a mechanical pump or electronic injection. If there is less smoke for the same amount of diesel fuel when injecting propane, something has been altered in the combustion process making it burn more efficiently since black smoke is unburned or incompletely burned hydrocarbons. I admit, catalyst is not the proper term for what propane does, but certainly it alters combustion more than simply using more of the excess air in the diesel cycle.
Thus, point being, propane using more of the excess air or altering combustion, gasoline engines has neither excess air nor compression ignition, meaning propane injection on a gasoline (or spark ignited) engine will not produce the same gains as propane injection on a diesel (compression ignited) engine.
Thus, point being, propane using more of the excess air or altering combustion, gasoline engines has neither excess air nor compression ignition, meaning propane injection on a gasoline (or spark ignited) engine will not produce the same gains as propane injection on a diesel (compression ignited) engine.
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Originally Posted by gasman6674
The diesel systems are triggered by engine load (vacumn)
Originally Posted by EPNCSU2006
A diesel engine has no throttle and is capable of ingesting how ever much air can be crammed into the cylinders,
And that is why. Unless the air filter is plugged, there is no restriction to air flow into the cylinder and therefore little or no vacuum.