The point is it is not legal in washington state. You will be less likley to get caught if you live in a county that does not test. I live in thurston and the chances of getting caught are next to none. But as soon as I pull all that stuff off I will have to move to a county that tests or my county will start testing. I also have talked to many people who have done it and they say the gain is not cost effective. That is just how I understand it and my opinion. Don't get me wrong it makes no difference to me wether or not you pull it off or leave it on. Idon't like emissions and that is one reason
i have diesels

dj

 

I was told by a moderator and others on another thread in this forum that you're breaking federal law by tampering with emissions equipment, whether your particular state/county requires testing or not. Also, if you have to travel in an area where there are specific laws regarding required equipment, you could receive a ticket if you vehicle is inspected for some reason or another. Personally, I think that's highly unlikely and my truck runs much better, but I can't encourage anyone to do anything illegal.

 

Casey, for you, good beer to work for.

 

Sir i have written an entire college level thesis paper on the history of vehicular emissions regulations in the united states, i will not have you insinuating that i have not "done my homework"...

Yes its illegal federally, and it is illegal to break federal law as punishable at state and municiple levels, HOWEVER there is no testing system in place at the municiple levels then there is no way for ANY of that legislation to have an impact on the individual. To summarize what would otherwise be a very lengthy lesson on the working of our govt...if you dont have local emmision testing then you are fine. The reason it is illegal locally is because it is illegal to break federal law, not because the act itself is illegal

And even if WA adopts the CA level of restrictions, vehicle already with emmissions removed would likely be grandfathered (and you just said yourself that vehicles built prior to 2009 would be exempt if the CA standards are adopted as is...)

 

I rember when Peirce County Wa started doing emmissions testing and they did not grandfather in vehicles that had the equiptment removed because it was removed ILLEAGALY as in against FEDERAL LAW. There was a mad dash to move alot of vehicle addresses aout of the county to escape emmissions testing. The chances of getting caught are next to none but, insurance companies are looking for any reason not to pay and if they decide that you did a modification to your vehicle that made it unsafe then they can refuse to pay based on the law. When we were in our last accident they pulled the codes and other info off of the computer in the car trying to pull up dirt and say we were speading or driving eraticaly. If they put reasonable doubt in a jury's head then you have lost your case. Just things to think about. As I said before I am not one of those people who cares if your vehicle is emmis. leagal or not because I have seen vehicles plainly burning oil and still pass emmisions so I think the whole thing is pretty much a joke.

dj

 

Very good point...if i had to take an emmissions test i could proabbly run my truck HARD to the place and still pass, and i have 2 gutted cats and the pipe dumping at the back of the cab...(well maybe it would quite pass )
not that id worry about it, there are enough EPA certified mechanics who will pass a vehicle for a nice tip...

 

Happy, happy.

 

WOW!!! Seems like someone has "little man syndrom". I think someone needs a nappy!

 

godblessmud...

Did not realize that you had written a college thesis paper on the subject. It would be helpful to many if you could post your paper and share what you have learned.

 

Since the waters have been muddied by godblessmud ... the following should clear the water: (following statements by godblessmud is in quotes)

[“Sir i have written an entire college level thesis paper on the history of vehicular emissions regulations in the united states, i will not have you insinuating that i have not "done my homework...”]

** Writing a thesis on the history of vehicular emissions is very broad to be considered a college level thesis paper. Interested to see your thesis proposal containing hypothesis, methods, results and references. Your topic sounds more like a high school essay...

[“Yes its illegal federally, and it is illegal to break federal law as punishable at state and municiple levels, HOWEVER there is no testing system in place at the municiple levels then there is no way for ANY of that legislation to have an impact on the individual.”]

** Any vehicle registered in the State of Washington, whether or not the residing county requires emission testing, is still subjected to the laws and penalties of the RCW and WAC if the emission system has been altered or removed.

[“ To summarize what would otherwise be a very lengthy lesson on the working of our govt...if you dont have local emmision testing then you are fine.”]

** ...I am over three times your age and still do not have a clue about the working of our government.

[“The reason it is illegal locally is because it is illegal to break federal law, not because the act itself is illegal”]

** Your statement in this sentence is oxymoronic.

[“And even if WA adopts the CA level of restrictions, vehicle already with emmissions removed would likely be grandfathered (and you just said yourself that vehicles built prior to 2009 would be exempt if the CA standards are adopted as is...)”]

** This is not an “if” but rather Washington “has” adopted the California standards for emissions.
RCW 70.120A.010
Department of ecology to adopt rules to implement California motor vehicle emission standards
...and no, a vehicle whose emission equipment was illegally removed will NOT be “grandfathered” in. What I said, and I apparently did not state clear enough, was that vehicles built prior to 2009 are subject to the stricter California standards...vehicles prior to 2009 are held to the emission standards that exist today.

http://www.ecy.wa.gov/pubs/0802001.pdf

** I do not purport to offer legal advice...one should contact a lawyer for specific interpretations of the law. I also do not wish to step out of line in this forum in discussing legal issues. In saving time in finding legislation related to vehicle emissions read the following laws and codes for reference:

WAC 173-421-100
Emission control systems.


RCW 70.94.040
Causing or permitting air pollution unlawful — Exception.

RCW 70.94.430
Penalties.

RCW 70.120.120
Rules.

 

Very well put Casey.

 

Ah, schucks.....

 

Um, Caseys? Is your head spinning? Mine is. Seems to me that someone just got SCHOOLED!!

 

I am glad we have this open forum to discuss policies and get to the bottom of things. Great work Guys!

 

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