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Stalled on cross...
Yesterday I ran out fuel on parking and put 3 gal. in tank from gas can. Started well, but this morning when I drow to gas station she stalled in the middle of a cross. I tried to start - like no fuel... One policemen driving in right lane stopped and asked what is wrong? I checked fuel pressure - zero, he helped me to push her from cross. Well, I called to work, they gave me tow truck, policemen was not far beyong my van becouse van wan was on road, tow truck came and whe towed her to gas sattion, filled tank and all runs well!
So the quation is how she stalled having 3 gal. of gas????
May be frozen water on bottom of tank?
So the quation is how she stalled having 3 gal. of gas????
May be frozen water on bottom of tank?
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ran low on gas. set overnite with gallon or two of gas in tank and some water in tank
gasohol phase inversion
common problem now in marine industry with gasohol
probably a liter or two of ethanol/water sludge mix in the bottom of your tank that will not go back into solution with the gas since it has went thru phase inversion.
very corrosive garbage, kills fuel pumps and systems.
you probably got pumped the junk from a low volume station where gasohol phase inversion is a major problem.
reason i refuse to buy an E85 vehicle.
20 gal. Aero tank full has 2 gallons of E10 ethanol, almost 100% of which will readily mix with any water. more than about 10% water mixed with ethanol and it will not pass thru fuel pump filter sock
http://www.mercurymarine.com/serviceandwarranty/mercruiserfaqs/ethanol.php
http://www.mercurymarine.com/_media/images/serviceandwarranty/gunk.jpg
gasohol phase inversion
common problem now in marine industry with gasohol
probably a liter or two of ethanol/water sludge mix in the bottom of your tank that will not go back into solution with the gas since it has went thru phase inversion.
very corrosive garbage, kills fuel pumps and systems.
you probably got pumped the junk from a low volume station where gasohol phase inversion is a major problem.
reason i refuse to buy an E85 vehicle.
20 gal. Aero tank full has 2 gallons of E10 ethanol, almost 100% of which will readily mix with any water. more than about 10% water mixed with ethanol and it will not pass thru fuel pump filter sock
http://www.mercurymarine.com/serviceandwarranty/mercruiserfaqs/ethanol.php
http://www.mercurymarine.com/_media/images/serviceandwarranty/gunk.jpg
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I wonder if you've burned out (or weakened) the fuel pump by running it dry? Combined that with frozen water particles in gas, it could not push hard enough to deliver any fuel?
I seem to remember a technique to remove water from your gas tank was to add a little alcohol as an emulsifier to mix it with the gasoline so it can be burned with the fuel. Does that not work in this case?
Do they use alcohol in gasoline in Lugansk? It's a stupid policy and very poor implementation here in the 'States, so I can't believe that other countries would be influenced by this. (Excepet for Brazil, where they have a much more economic source of alcohol.)
Also, I wonder if cars designed for E85 would have corrosion resistant parts in the fuel system? That was a big problem with some cars many years ago when methanol was first added to gasoline (aside from the methanol attacking the rubber parts). I would hope that the auto manufacturers would have done something about that by now.
I seem to remember a technique to remove water from your gas tank was to add a little alcohol as an emulsifier to mix it with the gasoline so it can be burned with the fuel. Does that not work in this case?
Do they use alcohol in gasoline in Lugansk? It's a stupid policy and very poor implementation here in the 'States, so I can't believe that other countries would be influenced by this. (Excepet for Brazil, where they have a much more economic source of alcohol.)
Also, I wonder if cars designed for E85 would have corrosion resistant parts in the fuel system? That was a big problem with some cars many years ago when methanol was first added to gasoline (aside from the methanol attacking the rubber parts). I would hope that the auto manufacturers would have done something about that by now.
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Do they use alcohol in gasoline in Lugansk? It's a stupid policy and very poor implementation here in the 'States, so I can't believe that other countries would be influenced by this.
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Rarelly, gas is cheapper then ethanol here, but MTBE is used.
I wonder if you've burned out (or weakened) the fuel pump by running it dry? Combined that with frozen water particles in gas, it could not push hard enough to deliver any fuel?
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My stock fuel pump was burned.
Have new Bosch updated for E85
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Rarelly, gas is cheapper then ethanol here, but MTBE is used.
I wonder if you've burned out (or weakened) the fuel pump by running it dry? Combined that with frozen water particles in gas, it could not push hard enough to deliver any fuel?
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My stock fuel pump was burned.
Have new Bosch updated for E85
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Gas is cheaper than ethanol here as well, both financially, as well as efficiency wise. It takes more energy to process the corn into ethanol than it gives back. There are better ways to extract ethanol from corn, but our big corn producers are not doing it.
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The biodiesel project is developed here, but biodiesel solves problem of fuel fo less then 10%....
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On my '89, if I run it down to "2" or "E" on the digital dash (there is no "1" nor "16"), it will stall if I brake fast or turn sharply: the fuel sloshes away from the fuel pump's pickup.
(The first time I changed the fuel pump, I didn't orient the sock in the tank correctly, and the above stalling was much worse. In fact, if I ran it down to "3" on the gauge, and parked at my usual steep-downhill spot, it would not start next morning. I had to coast down to a level place to obtain fuel pressure. A couple of years later, the fuel pump o-ring used on the early tanks deformed and began leaking. I dropped the tank again to replace it and found the mis-aligned sock and that problem went away.)
The later tanks don't seem to be as sensitive to low fuel conditions as the early.
What year is your Aero? You might consider adding that info to your Signature (click on "User CP" at the top of any page).
(The first time I changed the fuel pump, I didn't orient the sock in the tank correctly, and the above stalling was much worse. In fact, if I ran it down to "3" on the gauge, and parked at my usual steep-downhill spot, it would not start next morning. I had to coast down to a level place to obtain fuel pressure. A couple of years later, the fuel pump o-ring used on the early tanks deformed and began leaking. I dropped the tank again to replace it and found the mis-aligned sock and that problem went away.)
The later tanks don't seem to be as sensitive to low fuel conditions as the early.
What year is your Aero? You might consider adding that info to your Signature (click on "User CP" at the top of any page).
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