I Agree ,The New 2009 FORD F150 Has ONLY V-8 Power with Auto trans .No Options period. Thats the best they can do in this day in age?

But If your going to get V-8 Milage , Why not get the most power at least ?

Ford should have a powerfull V-8 as a option at the very least

 

There are several options. 3 v-8s at this point and I think it was said the diesel and an addional gas engine is coming in 2010. Thats 5 options in the powertrain. Pretty good if you ask me.

Maybe they found that the small V8 gets the same MPG as the v6. I don't really know.

I believe that ford is trying to balance mileage and power. They are doing a fair job. I don't agree with your logic that v8 mileage is poor regardless of engine output.

 

That's a typo. Some dumb Ford marketing guy is probably still thinking of the 4.2 V6 when he was typing that.

 

Are you referring to the old 4.7 Toyota V8? The 5.7 makes more torque (and therefore hp) at ANY RPM RANGE than the 5.4 Triton. It's really non-comparable.

We do have a top notch frame on the other hand. Would I buy the Toyota? Hell no. It's butt ugly IMO and I just don't like Toyotas in General. I'd take a Titan or Ram before a Tundra.

 

Both of my diesels get 16-18 MPG loaded with 1200-1500 lbs. Can your 1/2 ton do that?

Show me another truck that can, I'll buy one today!

I drive an 84 Mazda B2000 when I'm not working. 28 MPG, All day long.

 

Unfortunately your trucks as well as mine may get better fuel mileage, but they are all obsolete technology. And out of production. :-(

 

[QUOTE=dascro]There are several options." ?


Old Days "You can have any color you want as long as its black" Henry Ford

Now Days "You can have any powertrain combo you want as long as its a
V-8 with automatic" Ford 2009

We own the market so we do what we want "NEXT !" (for now)

 

[QUOTE=supeRobertduty]Almost all of the manufacturers are doing it. The reason they are doing it is the same reason they only sold black. COST

It doesn't make economic sense to manufacture something different for a tiny market. Mass production works when you make things the exact same way. That's also why individual options are being dropped in favor of packages. They're copying the Japanese to save money.

 

yah for the guy talking about getting with the times, what about the ecoboost that ford is puting in the f150 for 2010, I think that twin turbos and direct injection is getting with the times just fine.

 

speaking of torque, we have a 2010 Nissan titan rental truck while my stroker is in the body shop from my wreck. we aint allowed to tow with it, but, the acceleration is awesome empty, but not till over 3000 rpms. it has the 5.6. i hate the thing. it has a lack of bottom-end and a lotta top-end. my 97 f150 with a 5.4 that burned had nice bottom end torque, but was a bit shy on the HP. the titan is fast, but the 5.4 woulda waxed it with a load. we hauled 5 rolls of hay weighing in at prolly 1,000 lbs each and a trailer and it towed it with ease, the titan i can tell you would struggle. if i had a titan gave to me i think i would try to wreck it to get a F150.moral of story, thetitan is REAL low on low-end torque

 

2010 /11.. ect is great to keep bringing up for new products but my calender says 1/08

And other's that are already ahead or gaining fast will be farther ahead by then also lets not forget.

 

I'm not sure if this is the real new hp and tq ratings but i think that ford could have really done better..

4.6 2-valve-
248 HP @ 4750
294 lb-ft Tq @ 4000

4.6 3-valve-
290 HP @ 4750
317 lb-ft Tq @ 4000

5.4 3-valve-
310 HP @ 5500
365 lb-ft Tq @ 3750

For those who want to know where this was found: http://www.trucktrend.com/roadtests/pickup/163_0804_2009_ford_f_150/specs_opt_specs.html

 

those are just assumptions from motor trend, and U know what they say about assumptions.

 

If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying that you're 97 F150 5.4 would tow better than a Titan. And you know this because you once towed some hay bails with the 97 but have never towed with a Titan. BTW there are no 2009 much less 2010 Titans yet. My head hurts.......

 

GM improved the MPGs on the 2008s by trickery, not improvement to the engine.

Read the comparison test on Edmunds.com. They put all of the trucks on a dyno. The GM has dual fuel mapping. Under normal driving conditions, the engine computer tries to get the best gas mileage. You only get the higher, more powerful fuel mapping if you floor it for at least 4 seconds. Flooring it is fine if you are towing up a hill (which is not part of the EPA test), but around town, stoplight to stoplight (which is part of the EPA test), you will never get the benefit of all of that HP. The engine computer is trying to maximize MPGs. It's like having a 4 barrel carb where the back 2 barrels hardly ever open.

Also, GM went to a real high end as standard in 2008, I think it is a 3.22 or 3.23. Even with a V-8, tow rating sucks.

So, the fuel mapping was changed to maximize MPGs on the EPA cycle and the rear end ratio was changed to the point that a V-8 with the standard rear couldn't pull a donkey out of a mud hole.

But . . . . GM gets to brag about best MPGs in its class.

My 4 cylinder Ranger will pull almost as much and gets way better MPGs.

The Hemi is generally acknowledged to have the worst gas mileage. I read a thread 2-3 years ago that explained why. Dodge uses a different emissions strategy that negatively impacts fuel economy. I forget now why Dodge went this way (I think that it had something to do with simplicity, fewer parts, easier programming, something like that), but back in 2000 or so, 1-2 MPGs lost probably did not seem like that big of a deal.