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Originally Posted by SMIGGS
Much like the member you are replying to.
Some ppl just blabber on and on, typing the same old malarky, but have NEVER driven, researched or owned the competition. Therefore, they are clueless.
Every year for the last 40 years, I've researched and driven at least 30 new vehicles yearly, some I've rented for the weekend. I've even owned a few of them.
When I post something, I know what the heck I'm talking about.
I do not not post heresay, rumors and other BS.
Brand loyalty:
Where was Ford's loyalty to THEIR customers when they installed cheap C Rated tires on Explorers, to save a buck...then under inflated them to give a softer ride...what did that lead to?
Where was the customer loyalty when they were forced by the NHTSB to recall faulty speed control switches, defective ignition modules (5 million vehicles), defective draglinks, exploding gas tanks first on Pinto's, now on Crown Vics.
Ford has had the worst record for decades on fixing customers problematic vehicles.
Yet, ppl just go on posting the same brand loyalty BS.
Last edited by NumberDummy; Jan 14, 2008 at 01:30 PM.
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Ain't that the truth...more of the blind loyalty BS.
Some ppl just blabber on and on, typing the same old malarky, but have NEVER driven the competition. therefore, they are clueless.
Brand loyalty:
Where was Ford's loyalty to THEIR customers when they installed cheap C Rated tires on Explorers, to save a buck...then under inflated them to give a softer ride...what did that lead to?
Where was the customer loyalty when they were forced by the NHTSB to recall faulty speed control switches, defective ignition modules (5 million vehicles), defective draglinks, exploding gas tanks first on Pinto's, now on Crown Vics.
Ford has had the worst record for decades on fixing cutomers problematic vehicles.
Yet, ppl just go one posting the same brand loyalty BS.
Some ppl just blabber on and on, typing the same old malarky, but have NEVER driven the competition. therefore, they are clueless.
Brand loyalty:
Where was Ford's loyalty to THEIR customers when they installed cheap C Rated tires on Explorers, to save a buck...then under inflated them to give a softer ride...what did that lead to?
Where was the customer loyalty when they were forced by the NHTSB to recall faulty speed control switches, defective ignition modules (5 million vehicles), defective draglinks, exploding gas tanks first on Pinto's, now on Crown Vics.
Ford has had the worst record for decades on fixing cutomers problematic vehicles.
Yet, ppl just go one posting the same brand loyalty BS.
Those cheap C-rated tires were like almost 10 yearsago. So what are they using on the Explorers now?
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Originally Posted by sglaine
Just love to insult don't you...LOL...
Hate to be the "barrier of bad news" but I'm not going to address you anymore in this thread. ( more out of respect for everyone else here than anything )I figure I will let you still your own foot in your mouth...
Plus I'm sick of having a battle of wits with an unarmed member.
Ford Parts Specialist
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From: Simi Valley, CA
Originally Posted by sglaine
Those cheap C-rated tires were like almost 10 yearsago. So what are they using on the Explorers now?
What Ford did 10 years ago still affects Explorer sales today, which have tanked.
By using those el cheapo C Rated tires and what resulted (100's of deaths caused by rollovers, and the defective Firestone tires)...has nearly killed Explorer sales.
Firestone went bankrupt. Ford isn't fairing much better, 10 years after the fact.
Once number one, Explorer sales have fallen behind the Jeep Grand Cherokee's.
The last time this Jeep model outsold the Explorer was mid-year 1992.
Last edited by NumberDummy; Jan 14, 2008 at 01:38 PM.
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Better D rated tires.
What Ford did 10 years ago still affects Explorer sales today, which have tanked.
Using those el cheapo C Rated tires has nearly killed Explorer sales.
Once number one, Explorer sales have fallen behind the Jeep Grand Cherokee's.
The last time this Jeep model outsold the Explorer was mid-year 1992.
What Ford did 10 years ago still affects Explorer sales today, which have tanked.
Using those el cheapo C Rated tires has nearly killed Explorer sales.
Once number one, Explorer sales have fallen behind the Jeep Grand Cherokee's.
The last time this Jeep model outsold the Explorer was mid-year 1992.
Did not effect me in the way I bought my 2002 and 2003 Explorer what sold me on them was the 5 speed auto and it is wider and bigger then the old style
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Originally Posted by sglaine
Did not effect me in the way I bought my 2002 and 2003 Explorer what sold me on them was the 5 speed auto and it is wider and bigger then the old style
The one member previously refered to, posts the same crappola day after day, and has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
IF someone hasn't done one ounce of research and has NEVER test driven the other brands, please explain to me how they can post unfavorable comments about the competition, and at the same time make factual points based on reality?
The posts are just a bunch of malarky...they mean nothing.
Last edited by NumberDummy; Jan 14, 2008 at 01:58 PM.
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
I meant no disrespect, but facts are facts.
The one member previously refered to, posts the same crappola day after day, and has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
IF someone hasn't done one ounce of research and has NEVER test driven the other brands, please explain to me how they can post unfavorable comments about the competition, and at the same time make factual points based on reality?
The posts are just a bunch of malarky...they mean nothing.
The one member previously refered to, posts the same crappola day after day, and has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
IF someone hasn't done one ounce of research and has NEVER test driven the other brands, please explain to me how they can post unfavorable comments about the competition, and at the same time make factual points based on reality?
The posts are just a bunch of malarky...they mean nothing.
Nope it could not be under inflated tires at all those tires on those Explorers were at the correct pressure....LOL Yeahhhhh Right
With all the money hungry lawyers out there it has to be a manufacturer's problem when I'm sure some of those people never maintain there vehicles..But in a lot of cases because people do not take personal responsibility for there own actions often others have to pay..Like Ford did..
But yet people will believe the media on everything with out thinking things out...
Last edited by sglaine; Jan 14, 2008 at 02:27 PM.
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Originally Posted by sglaine
Nope it could not be under inflated tires at all those tires on those Explorers were at the correct pressure....LOL Yeahhhhh Right
When the C Rated tires were first used, ppl complained about the hard ride, so Ford lowered the tire pressure recommended by Firestone, and sent the dealers new Tire Recommended Pressure Stickers, to glue over the old ones on the vehicles.
Ford, of course, had no idea that the tires were defective, but when they lowered the recommended tire pressure, it was later proven in 100's of court cases, that Ford was partially to blame.
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Originally Posted by sglaine
But yet people will believe the media on everything with out thinking things out...
Since when? 
Some ppl might believe the vindictive, heresaid rumored crap the newsmedia wants ppl to believe, but some ppl don't.
Besides...the newsmedia...for the most part is so slanted left, they can't see straight!
Old saying: You can fool someone of the ppl some of the time, you can fool most of the ppl some of the time, but you can't fool all of the ppl all of the time.
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
I remember the problem like it was yesterday, because I was still doing the parts schtick when the issues first arose.
When the C Rated tires were first used, ppl complained about the hard ride, so Ford lowered the tire pressure recommended by Firestone, and sent the dealers new Tire Recommended Pressure Stickers, to glue over the old ones on the vehicles.
Ford, of course, had no idea that the tires were defective, but when they lowered the recommended tire pressure, it was later proven in 100's of court cases, that Ford was partially to blame.
When the C Rated tires were first used, ppl complained about the hard ride, so Ford lowered the tire pressure recommended by Firestone, and sent the dealers new Tire Recommended Pressure Stickers, to glue over the old ones on the vehicles.
Ford, of course, had no idea that the tires were defective, but when they lowered the recommended tire pressure, it was later proven in 100's of court cases, that Ford was partially to blame.
Okay then key words from you ..Ford was partially to blame.. Not all to blame so there how does that make the Older Explorer a bad vehicle..Answer to that is not at all depends on owners responsibility on how there maintained..
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Originally Posted by sglaine
Okay then key words from you ..Ford was partially to blame.. Not all to blame so there how does that make the Older Explorer a bad vehicle..Answer to that is not at all depends on owners responsibility on how there maintained..
The newer models have regained the reliability, but the past reputation inre to the rollovers, precedes it.
Maintaining vehicles is sadly left up to the owners, one reason is the dealers gouge the hell out of parts prices, so ppl turn to such awful places like Gyppy Lube.
Look around you on the roads...one example of a poorly maintained vehicle is easy to spot with the naked eye without doing a thing, except looking at the front wheels.
See all that accumulated brake dust? Some of those styled aluminum wheels appear to be painted black.
You can bet your bottom dollar that ppl that don't care about their vehicles appearance, spend next to ZERO maintaining the rest of it.
Last edited by NumberDummy; Jan 14, 2008 at 02:54 PM.
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
The newsmedia being factual? Since when?
Since when? That is my point exactly..Because the media has done damage to Ford every way shape possible...
Just look at how they are handling the primaries across the country..The favor one over the other all the time and they do not stick to the real issues..
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Prior to the tire fiasco, Explorers were a very good vehicle.
Equal or better in many cases to any other SUV on the road.
Maintaining vehicles is sadly left up to the owners, one reason is the dealers gouge the hell out of parts prices, so ppl turn to such awful places like Gyppy Lube.
Look around you one the roads...one example of a poorly maintained vehicle is easy to spot with the naked eye without doing a thing, except looking at the front wheels.
See all that accumulated brake dust? Some of those styled aluminum wheels appear to be painted black.
You can bet your bottom dollar that ppl that don't care about their vehicles appearance, spend next to ZERO maintaining the rest of it.
Equal or better in many cases to any other SUV on the road.
Maintaining vehicles is sadly left up to the owners, one reason is the dealers gouge the hell out of parts prices, so ppl turn to such awful places like Gyppy Lube.
Look around you one the roads...one example of a poorly maintained vehicle is easy to spot with the naked eye without doing a thing, except looking at the front wheels.
See all that accumulated brake dust? Some of those styled aluminum wheels appear to be painted black.
You can bet your bottom dollar that ppl that don't care about their vehicles appearance, spend next to ZERO maintaining the rest of it.