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After reading the post and browsing the net, I think im just gonna go to a commnity college. What really changed my mind was this.
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Originally Posted by BlueOvalRanger
I make GOOD money for being a printer. In a couple of days, I will celebrate my 34th anniversary with my company. (And make CLOSE to $100K per year.)
I have a big house. (3600+ sq. ft.)
I have 4 cars and 1 truck. All paid for.
I own land in Maryland, Virginia and Tennessee. (Well. . .just sold the house and land in TN.)
I have a big house. (3600+ sq. ft.)
I have 4 cars and 1 truck. All paid for.
I own land in Maryland, Virginia and Tennessee. (Well. . .just sold the house and land in TN.)
Originally Posted by ag-ford-4x4
I think the key here is not that you CAN'T have that, its just the time involved. Most of my friends went to college and my self included. Some of them are at 100k and they are but 30 years old and have been at their companies for less than 10 years. Ive been working at a company for 3 years, and while i did start high, i was not at 100k. I should be there in less than 5 more years. I will however state that those people that have the big ol house and cars are also very good with managing money. There's alot more to having big stuff than just a fat check. You can make half that and invest it wisely and have more stuff than the ones that make twice that.
Im a huge advocate of a solid 4 year college education. Mostly because i was in teh group of 'not everyone can go to college'...poor grades, poor test scores, and was all bu destined to flunk out. I got several F's in college and while my ending GPA was not stellar, it was the best i could do. I also learned a lot about studying, failing, recovering from failure, etc. The most valuable lesson i learned was that you should always do the absolute best you can, and that hard work does NOT always pay off...at least not immediately. The best part is that even though you arent a stellar student, your 4 year degree at a mediocre GPA will likely be more valuable if you are competing for the same job as the junior college grad with a perfect GPA. I hope i am not flamed for this, as it is not intended to be a slam to anyone, its merely what i see when dealing with interviews...in fact, we will not entertain any resumes that are not from a 4 year college. Thats not true of all industries, but for the Petroleum industry, it 'mostly' is.
College is expensive, and you may have to go into serious debt to accomplish it, but think of it as an investment.
Remember: "An investment in knowledge ALWAYS pays the best interest." -B. Franklin
Im a huge advocate of a solid 4 year college education. Mostly because i was in teh group of 'not everyone can go to college'...poor grades, poor test scores, and was all bu destined to flunk out. I got several F's in college and while my ending GPA was not stellar, it was the best i could do. I also learned a lot about studying, failing, recovering from failure, etc. The most valuable lesson i learned was that you should always do the absolute best you can, and that hard work does NOT always pay off...at least not immediately. The best part is that even though you arent a stellar student, your 4 year degree at a mediocre GPA will likely be more valuable if you are competing for the same job as the junior college grad with a perfect GPA. I hope i am not flamed for this, as it is not intended to be a slam to anyone, its merely what i see when dealing with interviews...in fact, we will not entertain any resumes that are not from a 4 year college. Thats not true of all industries, but for the Petroleum industry, it 'mostly' is.
College is expensive, and you may have to go into serious debt to accomplish it, but think of it as an investment.
Remember: "An investment in knowledge ALWAYS pays the best interest." -B. Franklin
I hope that what I wrote wasn't taken out of context.
JimmyDean had made a comment:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Dean
With no disrespect to anyone, but not everyone can go to college. If everyone goes to college, and most of them graduate from there, then who is going to work the lower-middle class jobs? I mean, I understand everyone wants to have that huge paycheck and live in that big house with 5 cars, but we still need our mechanics, police, security, or any number of other jobs.
Or, just because I (or someone/anyone else) don't/doesn't have a college education, that doesn't mean that I/they CAN'T have a high paying job!
I learned the printing trade at a vocational/technical high school.
Plus, I must admit that I was at the right place, at the right time.
Granted. . . I started out making $132.50 per week, at my current employer. I haven't always gotten good wages. I've worked long hours at a small wage, and I've also worked long hours at my current wage.
I have tried to convey to my kids that an education is the key to their success, in the future.
Jobs are going to be hard to get when my young ones are ready to start working.
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Think of it purely as an economic exercise. The is no more important factor in saving for retirement than starting early and keeping out of debt. You have to make a LOT more money if you start four years later with a bunch of debt than if you start earning young and save from the start. I went to 8 years of school after high school and you can retire as comfortably as I can if you start saving tomorrow.
There are plenty of people I know that learned a trade while working, saved some money and went into business for themselves in a few years. They make about what I do and don't have the student loans to pay out. I have 3 years left.
There are plenty of people I know that learned a trade while working, saved some money and went into business for themselves in a few years. They make about what I do and don't have the student loans to pay out. I have 3 years left.
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i just had to throw in my thoughts and experiences:
1. True, not everyone can make it to college either because of grades, or money. However the biggest factor is you and your motivation which usually is imparted upon by your parents or teachers.
2. True, you won't be insured big money, but you are MUCH more likely to get big money faster and have more "open" doors.
I have had two "careers". My current is teaching high school biology and chemistry, because those were my degrees and hence my credentials. I have been doing this for 10 years.
My first "career" was as an agricultural consultant, of which I also had to have a degree to get my licsense in. I made a lot more money. When I quit that job ten years ago (after doing that for 10 years) I took a $20K cut in pay, a brand new Z71 every two years, and expense account, and commisions.
What's the difference? well when I was young money meant a lot to me, but when I started having kids I decided to fall back on my original career choice. Now I make a lot less but I have 12 weeks off a year, less stress, I work from 8am-3pm, and I have Saturdays off! I learned time is worth more than money, if its spent with my family. Now if I was still doing what I did in college I had neither.
Basically the U.S. is falling so far behind in producing educated mathmaticians and scientists its truely scary...you young people are the future of making the country great, or if you will, Great Again...I wish I knew the right "carrot" to make kids want to go on and become the next generation to make this country tops again.
1. True, not everyone can make it to college either because of grades, or money. However the biggest factor is you and your motivation which usually is imparted upon by your parents or teachers.
2. True, you won't be insured big money, but you are MUCH more likely to get big money faster and have more "open" doors.
I have had two "careers". My current is teaching high school biology and chemistry, because those were my degrees and hence my credentials. I have been doing this for 10 years.
My first "career" was as an agricultural consultant, of which I also had to have a degree to get my licsense in. I made a lot more money. When I quit that job ten years ago (after doing that for 10 years) I took a $20K cut in pay, a brand new Z71 every two years, and expense account, and commisions.
What's the difference? well when I was young money meant a lot to me, but when I started having kids I decided to fall back on my original career choice. Now I make a lot less but I have 12 weeks off a year, less stress, I work from 8am-3pm, and I have Saturdays off! I learned time is worth more than money, if its spent with my family. Now if I was still doing what I did in college I had neither.
Basically the U.S. is falling so far behind in producing educated mathmaticians and scientists its truely scary...you young people are the future of making the country great, or if you will, Great Again...I wish I knew the right "carrot" to make kids want to go on and become the next generation to make this country tops again.
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i say college just because i think more and more employers each year are putting more emphasis on the pretty peice of paper they call a diploma than actual skills.
skills do go a long way but skills and a diploma go even further.
i am in school just because the career i want calls for a degree plus the jobs i did in the Navy mostly require a degree in the civilian world anyway, again, a diploma trumping experience.
skills do go a long way but skills and a diploma go even further.
i am in school just because the career i want calls for a degree plus the jobs i did in the Navy mostly require a degree in the civilian world anyway, again, a diploma trumping experience.
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