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Old Nov 29, 2007 | 06:17 PM
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My neighbour has had the 4x4 version since the first year they came out and they've never had any problems with it besides dumb little things that can happen to any vehicle, all in all it's a pretty good vehicle.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2007 | 07:02 PM
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I bought my daughter a used Liberty limited edition last summer for college. She loves it and has no complaints and nothing has broken so far. It's a 2wd model and has a 4.10 rear end??? She still gets around 20 - 21 according to the lie-o-meter. I keep trying to get her to hand calculate the mileage but discovered she only puts $20 or so in the tank at one time so that won't work.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2007 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by osbornk
I guess I got it here in the mountains where it snows. Around here most trucks, other than a commercial work truck, is a special order if you want a 2 wheel drive. If you don't need 4 wheel drive, why in the world would anyone spend the extra money and extra gas for a SUV?
Good question! To use them as over-glorified people haulers and grocery go getters. I've heard the argument that people "feel" safer in them, but the scenarios people put forth it would be difficult for people to escape injury regardless of what they're driving. Generally folks are always talking about getting hit by a semi on the highway or whatnot, and some of the worst accidents I've seen involved a truck (pickup) vs. some large commercial vehicle.

FWIW, most factory 4wd vehicles probably aren't any better than a 2wd in the snow because they never option them with limited slips out of the box. So instead of having one wheel spinning, you've just got two wheels spinning. I'd say in those situations a 2wd with better weight balance and traction control would probably be a more optimized, and less expensive, solution.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2007 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bart99GT
FWIW, most factory 4wd vehicles probably aren't any better than a 2wd in the snow because they never option them with limited slips out of the box. So instead of having one wheel spinning, you've just got two wheels spinning. I'd say in those situations a 2wd with better weight balance and traction control would probably be a more optimized, and less expensive, solution.
There is a big difference in 4 wheel drives. I remember an old 4 wheel drive Chevy pickup that would get stuck nwith one wheel spinning. Before I got my F-150, I had 3 4X4s (one was company). I did a test in the snow on a hill in my yard. The 93 Subaru Loyale Station Wagon got stuck the easiest, followed by a D50 Dodge (Mitsubishi) with open differential. The Ford Escape did the best by far and would go where others would not go at all. The F-150 with Limited Slip goes the best of anything I have ever had. The short wheelbase of the standard cab short bed gives it good weight distribution. I have had long bed Fords that wee very poor in the snow.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2007 | 02:13 PM
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My entire point was, if it doesn't have a locker or limited slip, its not much better than a 2wd on a slick road. The Escape probably does the best because its normally FWD, thus most of the weight is over the primary drive wheels, and only sends power to the rear wheels as part of its traction control system.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2007 | 05:54 AM
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Their engines are good bodies are typical dodge junk. The ones they bought at work to replace the 04 Escapes have already been in the shop three times a piece. The passenger and driver windows are either off track or motors don't work. Their also eating tires like nothing. They've already had more trouble with those three than the last three Escapes they had 3 yrs 160k. Granted they're used and abused 24x7 so with light use you might be okay.
Our 04 liberty that we got as a left over has been a great suv at 65.000 it is just needing tires and other then fluid changes and filters has yet needed anything else done to it and my wife is not very kind to her cars unlike me.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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If I may retort: indeed a 4x4 does a lot better than a 2wd on a slick road when driven with sense. I driven 2wd p/u's and had them fish tailing all over the place compared to a 4x4 in 4-wheel high. You see alot of suv's in the ditch because rookie's think there bullet proof and can be driven at a 100 mph on slick roads. However it is allways a help to have a wheel pushing and one pulling at the same time.The engine being over the pulling tire helps with weight and it's the steer tires sorta like a front wheel drive which is better on slick roads than a rear wheel drive. Put a rear wheel and front wheel drive together and it is a bit more stable. Go test drive a 4x4 and a 2wd this winter on a slick surface, you'll see the difference.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2007 | 12:15 PM
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Our 04 liberty that we got as a left over has been a great suv at 65.000 it is just needing tires and other then fluid changes and filters has yet needed anything else done to it and my wife is not very kind to her cars unlike me.
Personally owned they'd probably last longer. I bought our Escape bescause I knew it could hold up to commercial abuse and so far it has done good, the reason I buy any vehicle nowdays. Even with my wife driving it.
 
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Old Dec 1, 2007 | 02:09 PM
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Personally owned they'd probably last longer. I bought our Escape bescause I knew it could hold up to commercial abuse and so far it has done good, the reason I buy any vehicle nowdays. Even with my wife driving it.
I bought my old company vehicle Escape (one of the first manufactured). I drove it very hard the first 73,000 miles and I had one $60 relay go bad. It n ow has just over 100,000 on it and it looks and runs great. The oil never gets off the full mark. I recommend the Escape highly.
 
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