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Old Oct 15, 2007 | 10:54 PM
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Mercury FE displacements?

I found a FE at the JY, in a truck. There was no casting number in the usual spot on the front passenger side of the motor. It had mercury valve covers on it, I assume the original motor blew, and this one was swapped in. Did the Mercury line have anything special in the way of displacements other than a 360 and 390? I was not able to measure the stroke, didn't have any tools.
 
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Old Oct 15, 2007 | 11:33 PM
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I don't think you'll find any 360s in a factory Merc.......Or are you saying it was a transplant of some sort?..........
 
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Old Oct 15, 2007 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by masterbeavis
I found a FE at the JY, in a truck. There was no casting number in the usual spot on the front passenger side of the motor. It had mercury valve covers on it, I assume the original motor blew, and this one was swapped in. Did the Mercury line have anything special in the way of displacements other than a 360 and 390? I was not able to measure the stroke, didn't have any tools.
The full size Mercury only 410 was introduced in 1966. I have no Lincoln-Mercury parts catalogs, but I believe it was used thru 1968. B&S 4.05 X 3.98 inches. HP 330 @ 4600 RPM. 4V carb tag # C7AF-9510-AE. Mercury VIN engine code = M. Engine info source: My memory, and the Standard Catalog of American Cars 1946/75.

360's were strictly a truck engine, no FoMoCo car applications.
 

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Old Oct 16, 2007 | 01:21 AM
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So, if I was to read what you are saying correctly, assuming the Mercury valve covers are original to the motor, then its a 410? I will have to look and see if it is externally balanced or not. I am not sure why I did not bother looking?
 
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Old Oct 16, 2007 | 02:58 AM
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Not necessarily, Mercs also came with the 352, 390, 406, 427 and 428 engines. The only odd motor that the Ford car line did not have was the 410 and numberdummy is right, it was available in the full size Mercs 1966 and 1967 only.
 

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Old Oct 16, 2007 | 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bear 45/70
Not necessarily, Mercs also came with the 352, 390, 427 and 428 engines. The only odd motor that the Ford car line did not have was the 410 and numberdummy is right, it was available in the full size Mercs 1966 and 1967 only.
Archaic, but the 1958 Edsel offered a 361 FE. It was a one year only engine.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2007 | 10:02 AM
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The best thing to do would be to pull the oil pan and find the numbers and letters stamped on the crankshaft. FE's are a crapshot as far as what is cast on the side of the block. Plus who knows, somebody may have put the valve covers on there for appearance. On the front, driver's side of the block, there should either be a 352 or a mirror image of a 105 cast there. If it has a mirror 105, chances are that the block is a very good chunk of iron (CJ stuff).
 
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Old Oct 16, 2007 | 10:32 AM
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Distributors have ID numbers on them as do carbs, that when decoded, are engine/year specific. Of course, these parts are easily swapped. Sad to say, unless the original engine tag is still there, it's difficult at best to ID any of these engines.
 
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 01:55 AM
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The 410 was an optional motor for 66-67 Merc most had 390's in them.
Standard 390 damper and sleeve but external balanced on the flex plate.
By the time you got greasy removing the flex plate cover you could of pulled a plug and measured the stroke with a 1/4" dowel. Heads are standard 390 issue. Might check for the tag if still on the coil bracket but best to measure the stroke.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 09:36 PM
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No tags anywhere to be found, no weights on the damper or sleeve, no tools to turn the crank to measure stroke. Time to take some tools.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 12:25 AM
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I'll tell ya what's going happen sure as chit, your going to mess around and someone else might possibly snag a prize 410 motor.
Been there done that before.
 
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I talked to the JY owner today about this motor. He says the P.O. of the truck said it was a swapped in Mercury 390 P.I. motor. Is there any way to confirm this? Any body have casting codes from said motor, assuming it even existed?
 
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Old Nov 3, 2007 | 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by masterbeavis
I talked to the JY owner today about this motor. He says the P.O. of the truck said it was a swapped in Mercury 390 P.I. motor. Is there any way to confirm this? Any body have casting codes from said motor, assuming it even existed?
While I can't confirm or deny it without reading thru either: "Ford's of the 1960's" or the 1960's Merc HiPo* book (I have no Merc parts catalogs). I doubt that a specific 390 Mercury P/C (Police Cruiser-what the parts catalog refers to these engines as) engine was made. It would have been the same engine as the Ford's had. The same 390 bare block was used for all the cars 1965/70, except the 1965 Ford P/C 390 bare block (C3AZ-6010-Y) which used solid lifters. Unfortunatly, engine casting numbers do not transpose to actual part numbers.

*I have the Mercury HiPo book around here somewhere, but can't remember the actual title, or where I put it.

I'll call Green Sales on Monday and ask them if the 1965/72 Merc parts catalog shows a specific 390 P/C engine. You can call them, too: 800-543-4959.
 

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Old Nov 3, 2007 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by masterbeavis
I talked to the JY owner today about this motor. He says the P.O. of the truck said it was a swapped in Mercury 390 P.I. motor. Is there any way to confirm this? Any body have casting codes from said motor, assuming it even existed?
Sounds to me like he's B.S'ing you into paying premium prices for std parts. In the time it took to talk to him, you could have ID'd the motor just by measuring the stroke. After 40 years, that motor could be anything. Including a reman 352 from Fred Jones or a pieced together hotrod project by Joe Blow Racing. Or as someone else suggested, just a pair of Merc valve covers slapped on the original pickup truck 360.
 
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Old Nov 3, 2007 | 08:26 AM
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I agree... there was a purpose built 390 PI until 66 when the 428 came out. Early PI's were solid lifter cam with some specific HD parts. 64-65 were more generic than the earlier engines. These were fleet cars and everyone had to bid on the contracts. So these were in some cases just normal engines like everyone else got. So like BD suggested... this guy IS spoon feeding you some BS with a PI flavor.
 
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