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Not doubting what you say at all Bill, just that the diesel engines don't slow the truck as well as the gas engines when downshifting.....but, this is one of the key point that makes a diesel engine more efficient than the gas engine (no vacuum to slow the piston on the intake stroke) so I guess it's all in how you look at things.
The light shows on the dash and the transmission shifts down with brake application - it just doesn't seem to hold back enough according to the stories I've heard from others - the trailer is heavy (12 rolls of hay on a 28' gooseneck flatbed) and the hill is steep - I'd be willing to resort to 4L if there weren't so many warnings of drivetrain damage on dry pavement -
I just made a X-country tour this summer with my PSD/30' 5th wheel and never once wished that I had installed an expensive "jake brake" ! The tow/haul feature in the PSD is great. I came down some mighty steep mountain passes too...I was duely impressed by the feature....In fact, it slowed the rig down so much on some passes that I had to hit the go pedal more than once!
I have had the same experience on real 6% grades don`t even touch the brakes , just take your foot off the go pedal & the truck just dose not go any faster even had the flash for the tranny to tone it down ,some people need to learn how to drive their truck
Ken
Am I to assume that you're implying that I'm the reason the truck isn't holding back? - As I've stated before when I take my foot off the "go pedal" the truck does indeed go faster and faster and faster until I have to apply the brakes because the engine is not holding back - I know how to drive the truck, I just want to know if it is doing all it is supposed to -
My 06' F-350 6.0 TS trans in Tow/Haul seems to work great,,pulling my skidsteer yesterday,going down a good size hill,,touch the brakes,,truck downshifts,,prob doing 50 downhill,,rpm almost 3,000,,at this speed seems to be just helping,,if I had to hit the brakes hard,(I did'nt), the tranns would shift down,at least 2 more times,,slowing the truck and load greatly,,(was amazed as it did this one time),I was like WOOOO,,sweet.
Towing my sister's TT into a camp site for her,,driveway was a down slope,,was amazed at how well it held back,,think the speed limit in the driveway was like 8 mph,,downhill never had to touch the brakes untill the gate came up, Ford did this one right !
Am I to assume that you're implying that I'm the reason the truck isn't holding back? - As I've stated before when I take my foot off the "go pedal" the truck does indeed go faster and faster and faster until I have to apply the brakes because the engine is not holding back - I know how to drive the truck, I just want to know if it is doing all it is supposed to -
You do slightly(and it should be slightly) have to apply the brake pedal and then it should start to engage with the engine braking. After you apply the brake, you should be able to feel it significantly and then you can release the brake and it will continue to engine brake, however you press the throttle again you will have to repeat the process. This is something that you will be able to know that it's working.
Okay, I guess we've determined that the tow/haul mode is not working - I have applied the brake slightly and the trans has shifted down - harder braking produces further downshifting - once the brake is released the engine RPMs climb and the speed increases which makes it necessary to brake - the transmission has not shifted up - So, any ideas why it is not working? What is supposed to be causing braking in addition to the downshift?
Okay, I guess we've determined that the tow/haul mode is not working - I have applied the brake slightly and the trans has shifted down - harder braking produces further downshifting - once the brake is released the engine RPMs climb and the speed increases which makes it necessary to brake - the transmission has not shifted up - So, any ideas why it is not working? What is supposed to be causing braking in addition to the downshift?
It sounds like it is working. If you take your foot off of the brake, you're telling the computer you don't want to slow down any more, so it stops the engine braking.
It sounds liek it is working. If you take your foot off of the brake, you're telling the computer you don't want to slow down any more, so it stops the engine braking.
Mine it does not do that. If I apply it and then let go and not press the throttle, it continues to engine brake and that happens on a flat road.
Last edited by tex25025; Sep 21, 2007 at 08:33 AM.
I guess it depends on speed, grade and load. Now that I think about it mine has also held the gear on a downgrade. I don't remember if I had cruise control engaged at the time.
I guess it depends on speed, grade and load. Now that I think about it mine has also held the gear on a downgrade. I don't remember if I had cruise control engaged at the time.
I don't know why those factors didn't occur to me, but considering those it would make more sense. I don't use Tow/Haul mode unless I'm pulling the horses or the tractors so I always have a load when I have that engaged. I've heard some that have it on even when they are unloaded, I guess I ought to see what it does on the same roads with the truck unloaded.
Okay, I guess we've determined that the tow/haul mode is not working - I have applied the brake slightly and the trans has shifted down - harder braking produces further downshifting - once the brake is released the engine RPMs climb and the speed increases which makes it necessary to brake - the transmission has not shifted up - So, any ideas why it is not working? What is supposed to be causing braking in addition to the downshift?
Sounds like you've got a heavy trailer, so I would not assume that the truck is broken. You might just be over the motors limit. We just can't quite see it from here. Your description makes it sound like it's making the shifts like it should. The only thing I can think of is that maybe the torque converter is not locking up. Apparently that's the big advantage of the torqueshift tow/haul over the lesser transmissions. I think something like the Dashhawk would help you determine when your TC is in lockup.
Regarding using low range, you could easily swap in some manual locking hubs so that you could unlock the hubs while in low range. One of my old trucks warned against doing that, but I did it when I wanted a lot of grunt on hard surface and it caused no apparent damage.
If you unlocked the front hubs but put the T-Case in 4-Low range, since the transfer case is still splitting the torque, does this mean you will only get 50% of your available torque delivered to the rear axle?
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