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Old Sep 12, 2007 | 10:32 PM
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My dad had one he rebuilt after it had been under 9 feet of water in Hurricane Betsy in 1965. He paid $300 for it. His co-workers used to tease him because he locked it when he went to work. Looking back, I think I hurt his feelings when he offered to give it to me, and I said "no thanks".
To be honest never in my wildest dreams did I want one until I fell into the turbocharged convertible. Now I have two. Seems most classic cars are at a stale mate on the collector car market, for some reason these little corvair turbo cars have hit a stride. Prices are going up by leaps and bounds. Tim Allen, the comedian, bought a Yenko Stinger Corvair corsa. He still races it in SCCA races in a D/P class and the car is very competitive. Now his buddy Jay Leno is looking for a 65 or 66 Corsa Coupe I guess so he can race with his buddy... Believe me I'am a die hard Ford Nut but having a great time in these little turbo cars. I can't believe all the crowds they gather at the car shows. Each with a corvair story to tell. In fact there are people out there middle aged who never knew chevrolet built an air cooled rear engine car. Next they can't figure out why they stopped. Same body design that led to the 67 camaro and the 68 corvette. Only cheaper to own.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Netfly
I remember seeing the movies of how the rear wheel would tuck and flip the car when pushed in a turn. Was that a transverse leaf? I don't recall. With all the faster cars out there that was one I didn't want. I'd never drive one, but they look cool. Now the Corvette is a different story. That is one sweet ride for it's day. Any year.
vaporlock was almost right. The 60-63 would tuck the wheels in but in 64, the put a transverse spring that kept the wheels from tucking in. It went from wheel to wheel and attached to the engine or transaxle in the middle. As he said, the 65 and newer were completely different. I think the 64 was the best of the Corvairs. The bodies were much stronger than the newer ones and it was the first year of the 164 engine. I wrapped a 64 around a tree and it was one solid vehicle.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 09:42 AM
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Any trouble keeping the fan belt on? We sure did.
I good fan belt properly tensioned would stay on unless you over-revved the engine. If you used to much tension on the belt, the blower bearing would go bad and start growling (it was a common problem). You had to take the top sheet metal off the remove the fan to get to the bearing. Then you had to remove the top crankcase cover to take it to have the bearing pressed out.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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my mom had one growing up, she still tells stories about how it would go through anything
 
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 11:05 AM
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Jim did you have to reverse the rotation of the engine for aircraft use? They are really a stout little engine for thier size.
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Propellers are avalable for CW and CCW rotations, so I just buy the correct one and leave engine rotation stock. The main problem was finding a starter that turns in the opposite direction (Subaru), since you dont have the stock belhousing/flywheel/transmission setup in an airplane. A custom machined propeller hub bolts on in place of the flywheel and the belhousing is cut down to form just an engine case cover. A Ford Taurus flex plate is sandwiched between the crank and prop hub and custom brackets hold the starter on top of the engine. Since the stock cooling fan, engine tin and the wierd belt and pulley setup is not used, there is a simple conventional mount fabricated for a small lightweight John Deere alternator.

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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jimandmandy
Propellers are avalable for CW and CCW rotations, so I just buy the correct one and leave engine rotation stock. The main problem was finding a starter that turns in the opposite direction (Subaru), since you dont have the stock belhousing/flywheel/transmission setup in an airplane. A custom machined propeller hub bolts on in place of the flywheel and the belhousing is cut down to form just an engine case cover. A Ford Taurus flex plate is sandwiched between the crank and prop hub and custom brackets hold the starter on top of the engine. Since the stock cooling fan, engine tin and the wierd belt and pulley setup is not used, there is a simple conventional mount fabricated for a small lightweight John Deere alternator.

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Jim; Do you think it would be better to run a turbocharged engine with fuel injection? You know in case you want to do loop-de-loops. Really just curious what the performance difference would be flying up side down?
 
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Old Sep 13, 2007 | 02:56 PM
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I always hated Nader because of his book, that effectively killed off the Corvair. After they went to full independent rear suspension they were great. It was the swing axle that caused the problems and lots of European cars had used that for years. (VW included.) But Nader went after GM instead of the other brands.

To me, it was quite a reach for GM to build something so different than the usual and I thought the last ones were beautiful. Had they been developed further they could have built an American Porsche.
 
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Old Sep 14, 2007 | 04:01 PM
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I always hated Nader because of his book, that effectively killed off the Corvair. After they went to full independent rear suspension they were great. It was the swing axle that caused the problems and lots of European cars had used that for years. (VW included.) But Nader went after GM instead of the other brands.

To me, it was quite a reach for GM to build something so different than the usual and I thought the last ones were beautiful. Had they been developed further they could have built an American Porsche.
Nader went after GM because they were the biggest. Imports were insignificant at that time.

That was back in the era of John Delorean, Ed Cole, etc, when GM was very creative. Fiberglass bodies (Corvette), independent rear suspensions (Corvette, Corvair, Pontiac Tempest), aluminum engines (Buick Skylark, Olds F-85, Corvair), tubocharging (Corvair, Olds F-85), Overhead cam (Pontiac Tempest), etc. Ford, by comparison, was conservative to the point of almost being stodgy, until Iaccoca came along.

It was really the Mustang that killed the Corvair. Ford came up with a sporty compact that was much cheaper to build, so the Camaro was developed to compete. Notice the similarity in styling between the first Camaro and last Corvair.

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Old Sep 14, 2007 | 05:00 PM
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Jim; Do you think it would be better to run a turbocharged engine with fuel injection? You know in case you want to do loop-de-loops. Really just curious what the performance difference would be flying up side down?
I only know of one EFI Corvair flight engine and it is still on the test stand, not yet considered airworthy. While turbos are good for high altitudes, they also add weight, bulk and complexity to the installation. The stock Corvair turbo engine spins to fast to be viable. I need to keep the rpms down near 3000 for the prop.

It will have a single one barrel updraft Marvel or Stromburg carb or maybe a side draft Bing. I'm trying to stay safe in the air by following the KISS principle with my project.

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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 09:39 AM
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I The stock Corvair turbo engine spins to fast to be viable. I need to keep the rpms down near 3000 for the prop.Jim
I stayed away from the turbo Corvairs because most of them failed. I think part of the problem may have been the oils of that period and people not letting them idle before they shut them off. The turbo engines didn't run well with the carb. when the turbo didn't work. That is why I was fond of the 4 carb. engines. Ther 140 HP 4 carb. engines ran on the 2 carbs. in normal driving and the other 2 kicked in like a 4 barrel carb. Worked great and they really ran.
 

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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jimandmandy
I only know of one EFI Corvair flight engine and it is still on the test stand, not yet considered airworthy. While turbos are good for high altitudes, they also add weight, bulk and complexity to the installation. The stock Corvair turbo engine spins to fast to be viable. I need to keep the rpms down near 3000 for the prop.

It will have a single one barrel updraft Marvel or Stromburg carb or maybe a side draft Bing. I'm trying to stay safe in the air by following the KISS principle with my project.

Jim
I see. I never thought about the low RPM and weight factors. I heard once about a company that made "dry sumped" carburators for off road use. These carbs would deliver gas even upside down. I'am trying to think who made them. Let me see if I can research those just for curiosity.
 
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 08:30 AM
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I see. I never thought about the low RPM and weight factors. I heard once about a company that made "dry sumped" carburators for off road use. These carbs would deliver gas even upside down. I'am trying to think who made them. Let me see if I can research those just for curiosity.
There are several floatless "injector" carbs in the experimental aircraft market.
Here is one: http://www.aeroconversions.com/carb_index.html

I'm considering the Bing, http://www.bing.de/shared/images/dat...er/type94e.pdf because it automatically adjusts for altitiude.

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Old Sep 18, 2007 | 01:39 PM
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Well it's official sportsfans. Jay Leno just bought a 66 Corvair Corsa Turbo Coupe saturday. I guess with his TV show magazine articles and website the prices of these little cars will go up out of my reach. People will start to think if Jay buys one they must be a better car then they were.
 
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Old Sep 20, 2007 | 04:02 PM
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I had a '64 Monza. It ran better than my '57 Simca.
 
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