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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 03:46 PM
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Talking another how to get power.

WOOOOOOO got a Job.

gonna start making some serious coin and need to know. after I fix my leaks my coolant issue how would one go around making a non HO 302 e40d 2wd truck make 300 HP!!!!
its a 1992 302 e40d 2wd single cab long box.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 03:49 PM
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I would start with a good set of long tube headers and 2.25 inch true dual exhaust. I am not sure, but I don't think you can run a big cam and heads with speed density, so you may have to convert it to mass air before any major mods.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 05:07 PM
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Steal a MAF system of a junked late 94- 96 302 MAF f150 or a 87-94 302 mustang. Comp, MAF sensor, EFI wiring harness. Find a 94-96 MAF f150 intake tube off the internet or in the junkyard. You can get a MAF conversion kit but they cost upwards of $650. Once converted, get a set of GT40 heads off the internet or off a 5.0 HO explorer. For a cam, contact someone from ford racing or someone who can tell you what cam you need for what you are trying to achieve. The long tube headers and exhaust like the guy above said, are always a good upgrade. Maybe with the better flow, you could run 2.5" dual instead of 2.25" but its up to you. High flow cats help too. Find an electric fan conversion kit off summit or another site or ebay. If you run long tube headers, either get ones that are ceramic coated or buy a heat shield for your starter so you dont cook it. I would say just get ceramic coated so it lowers the temp under the hood as well. A 4.10 gear conversion will really let you lay the power to the pavement but they are expensive to have done and hurt your top speed on the highway. A good MSD coil and a set of wires and plugs will help too.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 05:38 PM
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373 read axle pinion gear is a nice middle ground. And if you can get a solid set of push rods and rockers you can let the engine rev higher which can give you some better power.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 07:16 PM
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Are we talking 300 hp at the REAR WHEELS?

If thats the goal, and you are making "serious coin" I would start from scratch. Yank the motor, have it rebuilt (or build it yourself) with ~11:1 compression or higher, get a cam/air+fuel intake/exhaust that all matches and gets you the powerband needed to get the hp you want...you have many options especially with a 302. You may have to change the trans to a built up C6 to handle 300 rwhp though. A mass airflow conversion, speed density computor reprogram or a carb conversion would be a must.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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3.73's are a great middle of the road ratio......I've got 3.55's and it'll cook em...still won't catch up to a stocklighting with 4.10's though.Do what 302 150 said...especially the MAF conversion...yea a junkyard would be your best bet to go cheaper than buying an entire kit.Maybe even get a set of underdrive pulleys...if you don't do serious internals.I have to say GT-40s are a great head...but you should compare the flow numberswith those to numberson Edelbrocks,or Windsor JR heads....either way..yank the motor and get yourself a 331 kit...big juice.Alot of people will tell you a 302 needs all the help it can get...and I second that.If you've got a good tranny man...you could get him to throw some C6 parts into that E4OD...shift kit,and so on.Remember...your motor isn't the only thing that helps you along.get an aluminum finned deep diff cover...it'll hold more fluid and keep things cooler...same with the tranny.....upgrade the tranny cooler to a bigger oneand get a deeper finned pan.Anything to help goes a long way.Longtubes definately.......
 
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 09:22 PM
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Can't use a mustang ECM with a E4OD tranny, if you plan on converting to mass air. Your best bet is a 95 or 96 f150. Any body had any luck with underdrive pulleys? Have you thought about a supercharger? I think 3.73's are a great all around gear.
 
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mstrelectrician
Your best bet is a 95 or 96 f150..
The 1994 EEC-IV OBD-I trucks with California emissions are stock MAF units as well. I drive one of these vintage rigs. The OBD-I system is less prone to fits with insane aftermarket power mods. If you can find a 1994 MAF setup, the long tube addition will be a bit easier, and the PCM will not be quite as finnicky as the EEC-V trucks.

Originally Posted by mstrelectrician
Any body had any luck with underdrive pulleys?.
Yep. I run the kit from Ford Racing, but only the water pump and crank pulley. The alternator pulley was tossed. Dropped my belt length just over an 1". Been on the rig for just under 20,000 miles now. No cooling issues, and some cheap ponies to steal.

Originally Posted by mstrelectrician
I think 3.73's are a great all around gear.
I could be misinterpreting his goals, but if he wants a 302 to pull that hard, he wants all the low end grunt he can get. Go with 4.10's or go home. You're talking about 2-300 rpm's higher at freeway speeds and a lot more hole shot power with 4.10's over 3.73's. Also, if he runs with an aftermarket triple clutch TC, with a stall at 1800-2000, his rpms will drop on the freeway as well. Not to mention, he will hook up a whole lot quicker than the stock E4OD TC.

0.510"+ lift cam- short duration. 1.7 rr's. Have your E7te's worked by a professional, or step up to some AFR 165cc stud mount 58cc chamber heads and don't look back. Port the lower intake, match to the upper and gasket match to heads. Throw a twin 56mm or 61mm throttle body on there. Feed that MAF sensor a good slug of air from outside the engine. Long tube headers, and free flowing exhaust. You'd be fine on the 19# injectors with a good adjustable FPR and an afternoon on the dyno tuning.
4.10's with an upgraded TCand a Factory Tech valve body upgrade! You should be right there or damn close!



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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. M
I could be misinterpreting his goals, but if he wants a 302 to pull that hard, he wants all the low end grunt he can get. Go with 4.10's or go home. You're talking about 2-300 rpm's higher at freeway speeds and a lot more whole shot power with 4.10's over 3.73's. Also, if he runs with an aftermarket triple clutch TC, with a stall at 1800-2000, his rpms will drop on the freeway as well. Not to mention, he will hook up a whole lot quicker than the stock E4OD TC.

0.510"+ lift cam- short duration. 1.7 rr's. Have your E7te's worked by a professional, or step up to some AFR 165cc stud mount 58cc chamber heads and don't look back. Port the lower intake, match to the upper and gasket match to heads. Throw a twin 56mm or 61mm throttle body on there. Feed that MAF sensor a good slug of air from outside the engine. Long tube headers, and free flowing exhaust.
I challenge any human being to say that quote out loud and NOT feel like a total bada$$. You're my hero Mike. hahahah

Hey M, lemme know if you're ever down in my direction, I'd love to give you my truck and a wrench set for a few hours
 
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Old Aug 29, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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I challenge any human being to say that quote out loud and NOT feel like a total bada$$. You're my hero Mike. hahahah

Hey M, lemme know if you're ever down in my direction, I'd love to give you my truck and a wrench set for a few hours
I'll be down in the Redding/Anderson area later this fall. I worked down there from 2003-2006 and I'll be visiting some buddies.

Better yet... how about we race for pinks??
Your 5.8 and my wee little 5.0?
 
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 04:05 PM
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Don't do it Sjandocious..it's a trick...your 5.8 doesn't stand a chance in hell lol.....hell, ever come to Florida?Not only will you get my truck and a wrench set...but whatever alchohol it takes as well....why don't we just swap our engines?Yea, Ilike that Idea a whole lot better......the work on the motor is already done.heh heh.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 04:05 PM
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oh yea, the pulleys are great cheap HP.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. M
Better yet... how about we race for pinks??
Your 5.8 and my wee little 5.0?
Hahahahahah, yeah and why don't I let you drive over my nuts while I'm at it. My truck is a DOGGG and you know it.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 04:27 PM
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Hahahahahah, yeah and why don't I set my nuts down in front your tire while I'm at it. My truck is a DOGGG and you know it.
Keep your twig and berries in your pants!

Well maybe we could grab a beer... or better yet... find some dunes in the area. Lets go beat around in 4low!

I'd sure like to see another vintage Ford that is taken care of. Very few in my area... and I seem to be known as the "... that one guy with the nice old Ford."

Not to mention, you are one of the chosen few with a stock MAF 5.8. That is one sought after ECU and harness.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2007 | 05:08 PM
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Keep your twig and berries in your pants!

Well maybe we could grab a beer... or better yet... find some dunes in the area. Lets go beat around in 4low!

I'd sure like to see another vintage Ford that is taken care of. Very few in my area... and I seem to be known as the "... that one guy with the nice old Ford."

Not to mention, you are one of the chosen few with a stock MAF 5.8. That is one sought after ECU and harness.
Redding is a bit out of my neck of the woods, and it might be a little tough to get up that far between school and work. Sounds like a good time man.
 
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