ok, i have a 64 f100 292 y block with a 3 on the tree... recently stopped running, started replacing stuff and still wont run. replaced starter, rebuilt carb, new voltage regualtor, timing chain, battery, distributor, cap, rotor, coil, spark plugs. Its getting good spark from the coil as well as to the spark plugs, cranks but will not fully start up, back fire every now and then when messing with stuff. lined the marks up when i put the timing chain in. It ran with the old timing chain but as time went by it got worse and worse. Once we decided it needed a new timing chain opened it up and noticed the marks were off as well as it was loose. Put the new one in and hasnt started. Fuel pump is working, carb was rebult just about 3 days ago. Can line the timing mark up as well as the 1st piston pumped out and the rotor at one and still will not start. Crank it and the timing mark is exact tried it with it 5 off both ways still no start.

I am looking for any new ideas or anything that might be wrong so i can get this up and running as soon as i can as it was my daily driver untill i had to car pool.
Me and my buddies are fresh out of ideas and hoping maybe someone knows what the problem is or a solution or idea that might fix it. Willing to try anything

Thanks

 

"lined the marks up when i put the timing chain in. It ran with the old timing chain but as time went by it got worse and worse. Once we decided it needed a new timing chain opened it up and noticed the marks were off as well as it was loose. Put the new one in and hasnt started.

A timing set on a 292 does not line up the dots!

Hopefully you havent smacked and bent the valves on the pistons or bent the pushrods or camshaft..

The timing marks line up horizontally to the ground facing the drivers side. Just like the old one.

There should be 12 pins between the dots.

Garbz

 

so both dots on the sprokets should be on the drivers side on the side, not up or down but to the side?

 

Yep....

Have a large board ready for your pals.....Beat head repeatedly...and chant in pythonesque.

It is a common mistake on the 292 V8 and also on the 223 I6.

Again hopefully you did no damage to the valve train as its a mechanical sysem and all impacts will be transmitted somewhere else in the engine.

GArbz

 

garbz, when i put the timing chain back on, should the number one piston be pushed up?
when i put the marks east(to the drivers side) should i make sure the piston is up to be sure its tdc correct? if not what do i need to look for?

 

Number one on the compression stroke... Bolth valves closed....Need to remove the valve cover to be 10o percent sure. I have done the finger trick and been off..

With the number one up the keyway should allow the sprokets to line up as described.

Just make sure there are 12 pins between the dots. From the crank sprocket to the cam sproket.

Fords next series of engines all have the timing marks normal.. go figgure...

Garbz

 

yea pretty dang stupid... the part that sucks the most is now i gotta buy another gasket set and wait for that to come in. get another harmonic balance puller, which mine i had to use a 3 ton puller due to non of the other pullers working. go through all the steps again. what im really tempted to doing is pulling the engine and taking it to the engine shop and letting them rebuild and redo the whole engine so i have almost new motor.

would a 292 be better bored over to a 302? what would my differences be? also if i was to sell the truck would it be worth more or less with the 302 instead of the 292? as the hood emblem is not the v8 emblem as i figure the dealership swapped it out...

 

I would re do the 292. Stroke it to the 312. Good power and torque.

Make sure you have a shop that knows Y blocks and the little oddities about it.

The Gear emblem is 100% correct for a 64 truck with a V8, 65 is the first year for the V8 emblem on 352 equipped trucks.

Depends value wise. The 292 is all on stock mounts, to go to a 302 you will need to add a new crossmember for the engine and the transmission. I have always had good service from a 292 where as i had to work the 302 harder to do the same job.

Garbz

 

the 312 will need a new crossmember as well eh??

 

The 312 is the same block but with a different stroke. No new mounts needed anywhere. The 312 was used in the Thunderbird with a tri-carb set up FYI.

 

garbz, what if i put it on there and everything is fine... it just wont fully start up.. it cranks and goes to start but then wont run.... it back fires out the carb and out of the back, what may be the problem? and best solution??

 

If it is backfiring through the carb it is still either out of time or has internal damage to valves rockers or pushrods or camshaft. All will need to be checked. There is a little more going on other then just a streched chain.

 

garbz, what if i turned the dizzy two teeth and then it started and ran? i didnt test drive it yet, but i got it to run? went to time it and didnt even see the timing mark on the harmonic ballancer, what does that mean? am i a pin or so off on the timing chain? causing it to be teeth off in the dizzy area??

 

Could be. did you count the twelve pins?

 

i actualy did not cause i wasnt thinking... i was thinking twelve lenghts not teeth and so i blew it off and now im thinking i am a pin or so off.... sucks cause if i am i have to go order another chain cover gasket set.... bummer... any other things it might be?