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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 04:25 PM
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Thanks guys.

That sure makes things interesting (to me). So, if I drive 6000 miles annually and get 10mpg... (both of which aren't accurate, but are rounded enough to give me an idea of how to figure it out):

6000 miles annually
600 gallons of fuel @ 10mpg * 22 lbs per gallon
13200 lbs of CO2 a year
 
Old Aug 14, 2007 | 04:32 PM
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Or, think about volume.

Assuming a 6.8L motor will put out at LEAST 6.8L of exhaust (much much more, otherwise the exhaust wouldn't make any noise) every 2 revolutions... most of which is carbon dioxide.

Running at 2000RPM on the highway, you generate 6800 liters of exhaust every MINUTE.

For one hour's of driving, that's 408,000 liters of exhaust.

That's 107,782 gallons.

Or 533.643853 cubic yards.
 
Old Aug 14, 2007 | 04:53 PM
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If you're going keep bringing up math I'm going to quit reading my own topic! It was hard enough for me to figure out the lbs.
 
Old Aug 14, 2007 | 04:54 PM
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I defy any one to prove to me the burning a physical liquid thing, gasoline, that weighs 6~8 pounds per gallon can magically produce 22~25 POUNDS of any gasseous exhaust product
 
Old Aug 14, 2007 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Fredvon4
I defy any one to prove to me the burning a physical liquid thing, gasoline, that weighs 6~8 pounds per gallon can magically produce 22~25 POUNDS of any gasseous exhaust product
Good point. Magic? Or... figure the added weight of the oxygen used from the atmosphere?
 
Old Aug 14, 2007 | 05:06 PM
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Atomic weight of oxygen = 16.

Atomic weight of carbon = 12 (roughly).

Since there's two atoms of oxygen for every atom of carbon in carbon dioxide, and painting with a VERY broad brush...

For ever gallon of gasoline burned, assuming about a 90% conversion to carbon dioxide (too much? too little?), let's use the lower of Fred's numbers and say each gallon weighs 6 pounds.

6*.90=5.4 lbs of gasoline converted to carbon dioxide. Divide that 5.4 pounds by the atomic weight of carbon, that's 5.4/12 = .45

Multiply by 32 (double oxygen) that's 14.4 lbs.

Add the original 5.4lbs to the 14.4 lbs, and we get 19.8 lbs. Hmm... 20 pounds?

I have no idea how much carbon there is in a gallon of gas. I have no idea how much gets converted to carbon dioxide, how much hydrogen there is left over, and how much of that carbon becomes hydro-carbons, but then, what happens in the cat? Conversion of hydro-carbons to water vapor and more carbon dioxide?
 
Old Aug 14, 2007 | 05:15 PM
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I guess I just learned never to defy anyone to do anything around Krewat...he might just do it.
 
Old Aug 14, 2007 | 05:36 PM
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Art not throwing any darts your way....

All day long I have to research all sorts of things in my job.... some times I am too dumb, naive, or just too stupid to understand what I am reading..... in this case I found some of the links via Google relating to 20+ pounds of CO2 per gallon of gasoline....I intuitively know this is bogus hype but went across the hall to our doctorate holding engineers and chemists...they are still laughing out loud....

I decided a while back to stay out of the corn for fuel or this global warming nonsense... I have a different perspective.... I lived in Europe (Germany) a significant portion of these 52 years. They...europeans have been on this band wagon long enough for we in the USA to take some obvious clues....

Did you know ALMOST ALL their increased costs of food items are because the agriculturally produce more bio diesel agriculturally then their traditional staple crops?....

This spring while I was there they were under a significant drought....(while we got 42 inches of rain in my Lampasas county where normal is 18 inches per year) Any way, the lack of rain had the Hops crop not faring well so yields were dramatically down....

Any one care to guess what was the lead new item each and every night I was in Germany this spring???..... hint.... Now all the beer drinkers are worshiping at the Global Warming alter too!


Before any of you wanna be physics professors out there take me to task... I am keenly aware that a gallon of gasoline is mixed with thousands of liters of air and in that air are already many different gasses.... The Hype here is the way the "Earth Firsters" are claiming that a gallon of burnt gasoline is responsible for ADDING 22 to 25 pounds of CO2 to our enviroment... just is not the way physics works.... clue for you all.... you must subtract out the CO2 that was already there and determine if there is more or less after the gallonn fo fuel was burned
 
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Old Aug 14, 2007 | 07:51 PM
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I've got a solution.

Plant some trees to eat the Co2.

Stop cutting down forests and fields for housing developments and Wal-Marts.
V10's for everyone.
 
Old Aug 14, 2007 | 08:32 PM
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"Stop cutting down forests and fields for housing developments and Wal-Marts"
via dkf 14 aug 2007

Pure extension of another myth...America has MORE forested land right now then any other time in the history of this nation (that man has been active in/on it.....)

Sorry DKF.... try another shot at dragging down our great country...

ever been to east Texas, Maine, Washington, Oregon, Montanna, Alaska, or West virginia?.....

Take a peek at Indonesia, India, or central and south America for the massive de-forestation
 

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Fred, I should know better than to argue with you

Let's just agree not to let this thread go down hill.
 
Old Aug 15, 2007 | 05:43 AM
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ART--- I agree (about the down hill thought)

I see this morning that my shot at DKF was not fair... to offset "too much C02" he is suggesting planting more trees..... I focused on the negative side of the thought because of the way he worded it

I do not really think DKF is "dragging down our great country".... my apologies

and as long as I am apologizing.... I am sorry for hijacking this thread further away from the original topic of "how much C02 does a V10 contribute?"

For the record I accept the notion that "Global warming" is a current phenomena we need to learn about and be sensitive to.

BUT I reject the various theories that MAN if the primary contributor and that MAN must change and stop destroying the planet.

This issue is all about politics, MONEY and population control and has nothing to do with "saving the planet".... in my opinion

How much C02 in the exhaust of a modern 2 or 3v V10...?

I don't really know except to say this..... this series of motors is about as clean as can be and the fuel efficiency is exceptionally high when you factor the LARGE amount of work they do moving the loads in a van, superduty, motor coach, or airport people hauler
 
Old Aug 15, 2007 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Fredvon4
"Stop cutting down forests and fields for housing developments and Wal-Marts"
via dkf 14 aug 2007

Pure extension of another myth...America has MORE forested land right now then any other time in the history of this nation (that man has been active in/on it.....)

Sorry DKF.... try another shot at dragging down our great country...

ever been to east Texas, Maine, Washington, Oregon, Montanna, Alaska, or West virginia?.....

Take a peek at Indonesia, India, or central and south America for the massive de-forestation
I wasn't trying to or intended to attact the U.S. or any other country.

Where I live fields, wooded areas and etc. ARE being lost daily mainly to housing. dept. stores make up some.

In the last 20 years my area has changed so much do to building that it could be somewhat foreign looking to someone who hasn't been here in 20 years. There used to be trees and fields behind my parents house when I was a kid where I played many days. Now they are houses.

Everyone wants to complain about automobiles being the demise of the globe and the cause of this and that and generally overlook what the growing population is doing to the landscape and the enviroment. I would rather have my fields and trees, than overpriced housing for people from Phia., NJ and NY.
 
Old Aug 15, 2007 | 10:07 AM
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It looks like terrapass is using 19.5 LBS CO2 for each gallon of gas used.
Since fuel economy information is not required for superduty trucks they don't have that information.
If you know your mpg and how far you drive each year the multiply the gallons of gas used by 19.5 and you have the CO2 figure.
This website explains how the CO2 is created. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/co2.shtml
 
Old Aug 15, 2007 | 10:33 AM
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dkf see the post immediately above your last..... I fully understand your perspective and I know what your are meaning to say
 



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