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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 07:10 PM
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Just because a circuit board or electronic device still works does not mean that there was not damage.

I have had training that showed integrated circuits with electrostatic damage even though the circuit worked right most or all of the time. These were images made with a microscope showing the internal traces within the IC. The damage can be progressive ultimately leading to total failure or intermittant failures depending upon exactly what is damaged if anything.
Nothing I don't already know.. I've done case studies on equipment due to my job.. I have a Bachelors in IT:Engineering.. I'm working on my Doctorate in Information Technology.. My specialized field is Engineering.. Circuitry level.. I've done scenarios where I've introduced static within a humidified environments to discharge a circuit.. The ability to generate enough static electricity to saturate a circuit board on a micro level is very rare.. In fact the only true way is to generate static electric charges at certain levels with a device.. Altho the possibility of a human conducting enough static to discharge is possible, the amount is very minimal and not dangerous to circuits. Most of today's modern circuitry boards are developed to take a certain regular pattern of electrostatic and still properly work.. Test this theory 15 years ago, you could probably scoot your rearend across the carpet and let enough charge off to damage boards..

Technology advances, with today’s world.. Convenience of having equipment that can withstand small bursts is more profitable then retrofitting offices, nocs and data centers with humidity controllers. Most corporations won't even invest in that technology, it's too expensive to implement. So the cost effective way is to develop the ability to sustain and redirect that current.
 
Old Jul 31, 2007 | 09:19 PM
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No it's because this crap about Gasoline igniting while running your vehicle is hog wash.. I was a Firefighter back in 1998-2002.. The 4 years I was on the Department, I never once responded to a Fuel Fire at a gas station caused by "Static".. You have a higher chance of walking across the street and getting killed then a pump igniting itself from static electricity..

I'll continue to fuel my truck with it running
Just because it has never happen to you doesn't mean that it can't happen.
It can and does happen .

It's a shame that there are people like you that think that it can't happen to me syndrom. I hope you or anybody in your family isn't put at risk because of drivers like you.

If you would like to see pictures of someone that it did happen to I will be glad to send them to you. Maybe then you will wake up and understand why they post warning signs on every fuel pump.

But hey it's never happen to you so it must not happen ,right ?

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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 09:52 PM
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Old Jul 31, 2007 | 10:36 PM
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Yes a spark can ignite GASOLINE. But the only place with enough vapors to acutally ignite is right near the gas nozzle. By the time the gas fumes get anywhere near us and our trucks it is disapated to the point where whatever we do is not going to set it off.

If it was that easy for the fumes to ignite we would all have to shut our vehicles off and push them over to the pump. Then push them away from the pump before we left, cause it would be too dangerous to pull in next to another vehicle that was filling up, or too dangerous to start your vehicle to drive away with a person next to you.
 
Old Jul 31, 2007 | 10:55 PM
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Would I like to see a picture? How about a note from your Mom as well.

How the heck did we end up here?

Do you have any , ANY idea how many people I see every day talking on their cell phones, w/ cars running while pumping GAS? MANY.

Do you know how many exploding gas stations I have seen, people caught on fire etc etc - NONE.

Nice, real nice
 
Old Jul 31, 2007 | 10:55 PM
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what about the guy thats smoking while fueling thats who i might worry about.. and i have seen a video of a fire while pumping gas....but it was because the person got back in there truck while fueling and then got back out and the static from there pants on there seat caused the fire.. cool video . if i had it i would post it.. I ALSO DO NOT TURN OF WHILE FUELING ... its one thing to do be careful of things and another to be scared to go out side
 
Old Aug 1, 2007 | 07:23 AM
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We should all be aware of static fires. According to statistics, 1,000 service stations reported fires at the fuel pump. Here is a good link to static fires Click Here
 
Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bnmccoy
Then again if it is so dangerous for a gasoline engine then what about all the other people coming and going while others are fueling their vehicles. How about the brushes sparking in the starter or the solenoid when they restart their vehicle. Surely the hybrid cars are too dangerous too!

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Shhhh, don't point out the obvious, you'll blow the theories of all the gov't types that want to protect us from ourselves.

Matt, maybe you could explain how those of us who fuel up our diesel trucks while running are putting others at risk. Because the only vapors that we are introducing are diesel vapors which will not ignite from a spark. IF the idiot driving a car doesn't know any better, maybe he shouldn't be driving then.

BTW, I really live on the edge, I don't wait for my small engines to cool down for 2 minutes before refueling, either.

Good hijacked thread. Got my laugh for the morning.
 
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by firesoutmatt
Just because it has never happen to you doesn't mean that it can't happen.
It can and does happen .

It's a shame that there are people like you that think that it can't happen to me syndrom. I hope you or anybody in your family isn't put at risk because of drivers like you.

If you would like to see pictures of someone that it did happen to I will be glad to send them to you. Maybe then you will wake up and understand why they post warning signs on every fuel pump.

But hey it's never happen to you so it must not happen ,right ?

Get a clue and quit putting other people at risk . Nice real nice..........
I'd like to see pictures of someone who was injured by a fire started from a diesel engine. Do you even know what you are talking about or are you just going off urban legends?

You notice those warning signs on the fuel pump also say not to use your cell phone?
 
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Station owners want your complete attention while fueling your vehicle. I have seen people smoking a cigarette, others jump back into the vehicle because it was cold or walk around talking on a cell phone. In case of a malfunction or over fill, Federal Law is the guideline to follow.

No need to contradict each others opinion, be courteous to your station owner and patrons nearby. The station I frequent will not allow any vehicle to remain running while filling the tank.
 
Old Aug 1, 2007 | 06:17 PM
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Thx to all for the input. I didn't intead for it to turn into a moral saftey urban legend discussion though....So I guess I'll continue to keep her running when I fill up. Chk eng. light was totally unrelated. Just got the truck back from the dealer & turns out it was excess carbon build up in the turbo & sticking vanes.
 
Old Aug 1, 2007 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Oomkes
Shhhh, don't point out the obvious, you'll blow the theories of all the gov't types that want to protect us from ourselves.

Matt, maybe you could explain how those of us who fuel up our diesel trucks while running are putting others at risk. Because the only vapors that we are introducing are diesel vapors which will not ignite from a spark. IF the idiot driving a car doesn't know any better, maybe he shouldn't be driving then.

BTW, I really live on the edge, I don't wait for my small engines to cool down for 2 minutes before refueling, either.

Good hijacked thread. Got my laugh for the morning.
I'm sure you seen the video of the 6.4 with flames comming out the tail pipe or maybe you havn't but just because you havn't seen a fire at a gas station doesn't mean it can't happen.

BTW I went on a call about 3 weeks ago were a guy was putting gas in his lawn mower when it was off but still hot and quess what he doesn't have that lawn mower or facial hair anymore.

Next time live on the edge and fuel your lawn mower in your garage next to your truck next time maybe it won't happen but I bet you won't take that chance.

Yes diesel is less flamable than gasoline but when your fueling your truck at a gas station there is more than just you at that station so just be carefull around others even if you don't care about yourself or know any better.....
 
Old Aug 1, 2007 | 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by firesoutmatt
Next time live on the edge and fuel your lawn mower in your garage next to your truck next time maybe it won't happen but I bet you won't take that chance.

Yes diesel is less flamable than gasoline but when your fueling your truck at a gas station there is more than just you at that station so just be carefull around others even if you don't care about yourself or know any better.....
Diesel is not flammable, it's inflammable. The point has already been made that the danger of a diesel igniting gas vapors is virtually nonexistent because there is no spark in a diesel. Probably a greater likelihood of ignition from an arc on the solenoid when starting than when it is just idling.

And we don't even need to rehash the whole cars driving in and out while fueling is occuring, because there is no denying that that is more 'dangerous' than me letting my truck run.

As for fueling my mowers, don't worry, it isn't done at gas stations. I own a landscape company, have my own bulk tanks that I can fill up at or fill up the handheld equipment on site as needed. Not endangering anybody else, so you can breathe a sigh of relief.

Not saying it can't happen either, just hasn't happened in the 28 years I've been doing it.

Wonder if cars really explode when on fire like on TV?
 
Old Aug 1, 2007 | 07:43 PM
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In my experience no. The fuel cap melts off and then the hot gasoline vapors get forced out of the end of the tank and make a really cool flamethrower.
 



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