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Originally Posted by CheapRanger
You guys are looking at this from the same perspective I did. Ford hires engineers/designers, to make sure it's quick to assemble on the line. After that, another set has to figure how long it will take to disassemble and repair for the flat rate book.
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And that's why all the warranty work at dealerships is complete nonsense. In all honesty a tech nowadays has to be able to out think the engineers(keep it simple) if he wants to make a living at it. My one service writer and I agreed the other day that if you take the warranty time and double it that's usually how long it will take you to do the job in real time. Hm, kinda' makes me wonder why I'm still there. . .
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However - back in the day, if a car ever got to 100,000 miles, the owner would brag considerably, and then start shopping for a replacement. It took lots of periodic maintenance and sane, reasonable driving to get that far. A good car was one you could hop in, and drive to California.
Lotsa folks today get to 150,000 or more without so much as changing their plugs. (Some of the really ambitious even change the filters.) And now, 300,000 is the new bragging point.
Lotsa folks today get to 150,000 or more without so much as changing their plugs. (Some of the really ambitious even change the filters.) And now, 300,000 is the new bragging point.
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Originally Posted by Octane
I agree. If the people who design the stuff also had to repair and maintain it, things would be a lot different.
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I was gonna chime in with the money part, but CheapRanger beat me to it.
Some folks I know call it "Design for build" metrics, versus "Design for service" metrics.
Ford doesn't service vehicles; it only builds them, and they make their designs so that they're cheap to build. They don't give a care about servicing them.
Someone once said to me that if cars were designed to be serviced, they'd be twice as expensive.
-blaine
Some folks I know call it "Design for build" metrics, versus "Design for service" metrics.
Ford doesn't service vehicles; it only builds them, and they make their designs so that they're cheap to build. They don't give a care about servicing them.
Someone once said to me that if cars were designed to be serviced, they'd be twice as expensive.
-blaine
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My problem with long service lives is that I start running into parts availability problems. 200-300K on a vehicle isn't all THAT difficult, but when you can't get parts any more, it all goes out the window.
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Originally Posted by Frankenbiker
My problem with long service lives is that I start running into parts availability problems. 200-300K on a vehicle isn't all THAT difficult, but when you can't get parts any more, it all goes out the window.
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