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Old May 14, 2007 | 09:54 AM
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But if i'm using an 89 TFI module with an 89 distributor and an 89 computer, shouldn't that all work together. Do I need to get an 89 coil?
 
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Old May 14, 2007 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 87beater
But if i'm using an 89 TFI module with an 89 distributor and an 89 computer, shouldn't that all work together. Do I need to get an 89 coil?
Read post #14...

I don't wish to argue with Bill K, but the parts catalog only lists one dizzy mounted module for 1984-89 F150/350; Econoline 150/350 and Bronco (U150)..

Parts catalog says: E73Z-12029-A Coil fits all 1987/89 E-F-150/350 & U150
 

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Old May 14, 2007 | 10:37 AM
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Ok, so it shouldn't matter what TFI module I use. My question is, what could be killing them. Let's take heat out of the equation because it died within 5 minutes of a cold start, therefore, heat is not the issue.

If I understand correctly, the TFI module and ignition coil receive power from the ignition switch. The TFI module then supplies power to the PIP (Stator) in the distributor, which then sends a signal back through the TFI to the EEC-IV to determine spark timing. This signal then goes back to the TFI module which then tells the coil when to fire. With this in mind, it seems like the only things that could be killing the TFI modules are the stator or the coil. Or, I just got two faulty TFI modules. Any input on this? Thanks!
 
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Old May 14, 2007 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Read post #14...

I don't wish to argue with Bill K, but the parts catalog only lists one dizzy mounted module for 1984-89 F150/350; Econoline 150/350 and Bronco (U150)..

Parts catalog says: E73Z-12029-A Coil fits all 1987/89 E-F-150/350 & U150
I always though they were all the same for those years except the remote mounted ones but I know from the Ford Shop manuals that there are seven different Ignition systems used (Two of the systems are distributor mounted, A & E) with the "E" being for newer trucks and does not use the start wire.
I do know that the TFI modules that the Auto Parts stores sells will not work a lot of times.
We had one guy on here that replaced the TFI four times and the engine would run I think but not right and then he went to Ford and got one and it cured his problems.
 

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Old May 14, 2007 | 10:50 AM
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Yeah, they probably sold me some poop in a box, but hey "its got a warranty". Just once, I'd like to buy something and it work the first time....
 
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Old May 14, 2007 | 11:19 AM
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Subford, since I'm using the 89 computer and the 89 dizzy, should I not use the 89 TFI module? Seems to me that since the TFI talks to both of those systems, I should match the year models. True?
Maybe but I do not know what year they changed the Distributor mounted TFI Module.
The Old one had Start input and newer CCD TFI Module used the same pin for the IDM output. Both were Distributor mounted TFI Module.
So the Computer has to match the TFI-IV Module.

Here is a diagram of both systems:
 
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Old May 14, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 87beater
Ok, so it shouldn't matter what TFI module I use. My question is, what could be killing them. Let's take heat out of the equation because it died within 5 minutes of a cold start, therefore, heat is not the issue.

If I understand correctly, the TFI module and ignition coil receive power from the ignition switch. The TFI module then supplies power to the PIP (Stator) in the distributor, which then sends a signal back through the TFI to the EEC-IV to determine spark timing. This signal then goes back to the TFI module which then tells the coil when to fire. With this in mind, it seems like the only things that could be killing the TFI modules are the stator or the coil. Or, I just got two faulty TFI modules. Any input on this? Thanks!
That was my thinking also, bad Ignition Coil, PIP Sensor or wrong/bad TFI Module.
The 87 would have had the System A and if they sold you a Distributor with the newer System E maybe the start wire would take the newer TFI Module out.
 
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Old May 14, 2007 | 02:21 PM
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replace the stator, prob the cheapest part on the truck, replaced mine and my truck now runs great, cus i replaced every sensor before getting to the stator.
 
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Old May 14, 2007 | 02:24 PM
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I got a new stator with the new distributor 5 days ago. I have since been through 2 TFI modules. I think the stator or coil may be killing off my TFI modules, so I'm going to have the parts place swap out the new distributor for another one, (under warranty), and replace the coil while I'm under the hood. I'll let y'all know what I find. Thanks for all the input!

Aaron
 
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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 12:39 PM
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Any update on this? I’ve got a similar issue with repeat failures.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2025 | 01:08 PM
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Any update on this? I’ve got a similar issue with repeat failures.
there was a similar thread of this subject that popped up about a month ago. I believe the solution was non-counterfeit OEM module from the junkyard.
 
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Old Jan 4, 2025 | 01:32 PM
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*Keep one of these in the glovebox for those old ones
I get 3 Motorcraft modules at a time at the junkyard
If you examine the inside circuitry of your bad ones, you may find a bubble in the thick film
That's where they get hot and burn the ground side power circuit out
So, when I go looking at the junkyard, I can tell the possibly bad ones
Usually, I can find a couple that look like they have been replaced before, and I get those ones

You can get home using one of these failed module bypasses
 
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Old Jan 5, 2025 | 09:21 PM
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I feel like I have seen suggestions about Arctic MX-4 thermal paste being used on the back of these modules.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2025 | 09:04 AM
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Yes, any thermal heat paste will work, what you get from the big parts store is, dielectric grease...with the modules, and they die a slow death, unless your in the heat (states) then its even quicker.
 
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