Found an Original 63 Stepside...Any Value?
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One thing I can tell you - no matter how nice it looks EVERYTHING made of rubber will need replaced from brake seals to door weatherstrip . Age is hard on rubber parts and engine seals ,more so if it has been sitting a long time . If you can do the work and it really has 35K on the clock I think it would be worth $6500 considering a new one is $20K and won't last as long as the '63.
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UPDATE:PLEASE HELP!
OK, so I went to check out the truck.
Someone please help with the VIN F10JE391***
Engine Number C3AE6015AC or O3AE6015AC (hard to make it out). Should the engine # match the VIN?
I forgot to write down the tag numbers from the door plate, but I think color was "L"
BODY:
1. Paint is not original as it has been repaired in numerous spots.
2. Body itself is very solid, no rust (but there is rust starting on the bottom of 1 door and on the front of the stepside fenders where the step meets the fender underneath. Cab corners are solid.
3. 1 fender was repaired with lead at some point (don't see that anymore, huh?)
4. 1 rear fender has some dents which are an easy fix for me.
5. NO rot in floors
6. Door weatherstripping needs to be replaced.
BED:
1. Wood in bed has been replaced with pressure treated slabs and then painted. This would have to be trashed and done the proper way.
INTERIOR:
1. Interior is very nice. Dash is outstanding and seat has been recovered with the correct material.
ENGINE:
1. 232 which has new freezeout plugs and I found a receipt for gasket overhaul kit, but no receipt for engine rebuild which is odd, because the previous owner saved everything.
2. New starter, battery (non original type), clutch work, etc.
3. Even still has the oil soaked air filter in tact
4. Needs a valve adjustment (slight tick)
TIRES:
Lee brand bias ply which if not OEM are very old (and very worn!)
Conclusion:
Body: This would be a great basis for a full restoration. It has 35K miles and is an extremely solid truck. Body would have to be removed, media blasted and see what lurks below. Some bondo I am sure, but no rust other than what I mentioned. Fix body and then repainted.
Interior: Leave it pretty much as is.
Engine: Engine would have to come out for quick overhaul. Repaint inner fenders (peeling paint), and basic clean up. Other problem is that it only a 6 cyl and a 3 speed on the column.
Bed: Entire floor kit needed
Tires: Replace with OEM type tires.
Brakes have been done recently as has the rear axle seals, etc.
SO.............................I offered $5K and then went to $5500 when they balked. Guy says his farmer neighbor will give him $6K. I said good luck, because once the guy sees it up close (never has) he will see it needs some work, and lots of people "say" they want something. I showed them cash.
The whole idea is to restore it. It would make a very nice driver as is, but it is definitely worth saving.
Think it is worth the $5500 I offered? Think it is worth $6K? Less?
OK, so I went to check out the truck.
Someone please help with the VIN F10JE391***
Engine Number C3AE6015AC or O3AE6015AC (hard to make it out). Should the engine # match the VIN?
I forgot to write down the tag numbers from the door plate, but I think color was "L"
BODY:
1. Paint is not original as it has been repaired in numerous spots.
2. Body itself is very solid, no rust (but there is rust starting on the bottom of 1 door and on the front of the stepside fenders where the step meets the fender underneath. Cab corners are solid.
3. 1 fender was repaired with lead at some point (don't see that anymore, huh?)
4. 1 rear fender has some dents which are an easy fix for me.
5. NO rot in floors
6. Door weatherstripping needs to be replaced.
BED:
1. Wood in bed has been replaced with pressure treated slabs and then painted. This would have to be trashed and done the proper way.
INTERIOR:
1. Interior is very nice. Dash is outstanding and seat has been recovered with the correct material.
ENGINE:
1. 232 which has new freezeout plugs and I found a receipt for gasket overhaul kit, but no receipt for engine rebuild which is odd, because the previous owner saved everything.
2. New starter, battery (non original type), clutch work, etc.
3. Even still has the oil soaked air filter in tact
4. Needs a valve adjustment (slight tick)
TIRES:
Lee brand bias ply which if not OEM are very old (and very worn!)
Conclusion:
Body: This would be a great basis for a full restoration. It has 35K miles and is an extremely solid truck. Body would have to be removed, media blasted and see what lurks below. Some bondo I am sure, but no rust other than what I mentioned. Fix body and then repainted.
Interior: Leave it pretty much as is.
Engine: Engine would have to come out for quick overhaul. Repaint inner fenders (peeling paint), and basic clean up. Other problem is that it only a 6 cyl and a 3 speed on the column.
Bed: Entire floor kit needed
Tires: Replace with OEM type tires.
Brakes have been done recently as has the rear axle seals, etc.
SO.............................I offered $5K and then went to $5500 when they balked. Guy says his farmer neighbor will give him $6K. I said good luck, because once the guy sees it up close (never has) he will see it needs some work, and lots of people "say" they want something. I showed them cash.
The whole idea is to restore it. It would make a very nice driver as is, but it is definitely worth saving.
Think it is worth the $5500 I offered? Think it is worth $6K? Less?
Last edited by jh225; May 12, 2007 at 04:36 PM.
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Originally Posted by Bob P1
If this truck is in Warwick, NY. I have seen it first hand and it is not as nice as the owner says. I took it for a test drive the 3 on the tree shifter is about shot. It has been repainted and there is alot of undercoating covering up rust. I offered about half his asking price, about 2years ago. Glad he didn't accept it, now I have the nicest rust free 64 stepside.
Yes, that is the truck.
The shifter has had a ball socket repair at some point (saw the paperwork)
Like I said, it definitely has been repainted.
As for the undercoating. Yes there is a lot of undercoating, on the frame rails but I looked very closely inside the rails and I did not see rust. The floorboards have definitely not been done. I think it was more of a "lets put a bunch of undercoating on the bottom, so it doesn't rust.
Did you see rust repair underneath?
And if I may ask, where did you find your 64' and what was the condition and cost?
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Originally Posted by jh225
Someone please help with the VIN F10JE391***
Engine Number C3AE6015AC or O3AE6015AC (hard to make it out).
Should the engine # match the VIN? NO
Engine Number C3AE6015AC or O3AE6015AC (hard to make it out).
Should the engine # match the VIN? NO
J = 223 1V I-6
E = Mahwah NJ Assembly Plant
391xxx = Built in March 1963
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Originally Posted by masterqi
I would walk (briskly) away.
If his good buddy the farmer neighbor wanted to pay six thousand for the truck then he'd already have done so!
ALso did you see Bob P1's post?
If his good buddy the farmer neighbor wanted to pay six thousand for the truck then he'd already have done so!
ALso did you see Bob P1's post?
OK, so if I leave that one be, who has a line on a rust free stepside in the NorthEast? I have cash waiting.
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Originally Posted by jh225
BODY:
1. Paint is not original as it has been repaired in numerous spots. I thought this truck was "all original." All original doesn't mean partially redone to original.
2. Body itself is very solid, no rust (but there is rust starting on the bottom of 1 door and on the front of the stepside fenders where the step meets the fender underneath. Cab corners are solid.
3. 1 fender was repaired with lead at some point (don't see that anymore, huh?)
4. 1 rear fender has some dents which are an easy fix for me.
5. NO rot in floors
6. Door weatherstripping needs to be replaced.
BED:
1. Wood in bed has been replaced with pressure treated slabs and then painted. This would have to be trashed and done the proper way. Incorrect bed wood? That ain't original
INTERIOR:
1. Interior is very nice. Dash is outstanding and seat has been recovered with the correct material. Recovered isn't original.
ENGINE:
1. 232 which has new freezeout plugs and I found a receipt for gasket overhaul kit, but no receipt for engine rebuild which is odd, because the previous owner saved everything.
2. New starter, battery (non original type), clutch work, etc.
3. Even still has the oil soaked air filter in tact That's a good point?
4. Needs a valve adjustment (slight tick)
TIRES:
Lee brand bias ply which if not OEM are very old (and very worn!) As original: Firestone Tires...Ford didn't use Lee's.
Conclusion:
Body: This would be a great basis for a full restoration. It has 35K miles Uh huh that's what it says...BUT is it really?and is an extremely solid truck. Body would have to be removed, media blasted and see what lurks below. Some bondo I am sure, but no rust other than what I mentioned. Fix body and then repainted.
Interior: Leave it pretty much as is.
Engine: Engine would have to come out for quick overhaul. Repaint inner fenders (peeling paint), and basic clean up. Other problem is that it only a 6 cyl and a 3 speed on the column.
Bed: Entire floor kit needed
Tires: Replace with OEM type tires.
Brakes have been done recently as has the rear axle seals, etc.
SO.............................I offered $5K and then went to $5500 when they balked.
Guy says his farmer neighbor will give him $6K. Yeah right...I said good luck, because once the guy sees it up close (never has) he will see it needs some work, and lots of people "say" they want something. I showed them cash.
The whole idea is to restore it. It would make a very nice driver as is, but it is definitely worth saving. Why?
Think it is worth the $5500 I offered? NO Think it is worth $6K? Less? Much less
1. Paint is not original as it has been repaired in numerous spots. I thought this truck was "all original." All original doesn't mean partially redone to original.
2. Body itself is very solid, no rust (but there is rust starting on the bottom of 1 door and on the front of the stepside fenders where the step meets the fender underneath. Cab corners are solid.
3. 1 fender was repaired with lead at some point (don't see that anymore, huh?)
4. 1 rear fender has some dents which are an easy fix for me.
5. NO rot in floors
6. Door weatherstripping needs to be replaced.
BED:
1. Wood in bed has been replaced with pressure treated slabs and then painted. This would have to be trashed and done the proper way. Incorrect bed wood? That ain't original
INTERIOR:
1. Interior is very nice. Dash is outstanding and seat has been recovered with the correct material. Recovered isn't original.
ENGINE:
1. 232 which has new freezeout plugs and I found a receipt for gasket overhaul kit, but no receipt for engine rebuild which is odd, because the previous owner saved everything.
2. New starter, battery (non original type), clutch work, etc.
3. Even still has the oil soaked air filter in tact That's a good point?
4. Needs a valve adjustment (slight tick)
TIRES:
Lee brand bias ply which if not OEM are very old (and very worn!) As original: Firestone Tires...Ford didn't use Lee's.
Conclusion:
Body: This would be a great basis for a full restoration. It has 35K miles Uh huh that's what it says...BUT is it really?and is an extremely solid truck. Body would have to be removed, media blasted and see what lurks below. Some bondo I am sure, but no rust other than what I mentioned. Fix body and then repainted.
Interior: Leave it pretty much as is.
Engine: Engine would have to come out for quick overhaul. Repaint inner fenders (peeling paint), and basic clean up. Other problem is that it only a 6 cyl and a 3 speed on the column.
Bed: Entire floor kit needed
Tires: Replace with OEM type tires.
Brakes have been done recently as has the rear axle seals, etc.
SO.............................I offered $5K and then went to $5500 when they balked.
Guy says his farmer neighbor will give him $6K. Yeah right...I said good luck, because once the guy sees it up close (never has) he will see it needs some work, and lots of people "say" they want something. I showed them cash.The whole idea is to restore it. It would make a very nice driver as is, but it is definitely worth saving. Why?
Think it is worth the $5500 I offered? NO Think it is worth $6K? Less? Much less
Why would you even consider it? The owner lied about the condition, and these older vehicles are easy to "fiddle" with the odometer without anyone being none the wiser.
Forget it...it's an overpriced money pit.
The owner is a LIAR! Why would you believe anything the clown says?
Don't walk....run away!
Last edited by NumberDummy; May 12, 2007 at 05:21 PM.
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
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Why would you even consider it? The owner lied about the condition, and these older vehicles are easy to "fiddle" with the odometer without anyone being none the wiser.
Don't walk....run away!
Why would you even consider it? The owner lied about the condition, and these older vehicles are easy to "fiddle" with the odometer without anyone being none the wiser.
Don't walk....run away!
Anyway's. I am going to leave this alone.
I can't really blame the owner, as it is a young woman who does not have a clue what she bought a few years ago.
My problem is that I am new to the old truck scene (not the car scene however) and I do not know todays market values of older trucks.
Someone, please point me in the direction of a RUST FREE stepside for a real world price.
PS- THANKS FOR THE HELP!
Last edited by jh225; May 12, 2007 at 05:21 PM.
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Originally Posted by jh225
This owner would not even know how to play with the mileage. The previous owner I don't know. What leads me to believe the mileage is the interior. Besides the recovered seat (could have been eaten by mice, etc). The dash is pristine, as is the glove box and the floor mat. Could it have been redone? Yeah, but I seriously doubt it.
Anyway's. I am going to leave this alone.
I can't really blame the owner, as it is a young woman who does not have a clue what she bought a few years ago.
My problem is that I am new to the old truck scene (not the car scene however) and I do not know todays market values of older trucks.
Someone, please point me in the direction of a RUST FREE stepside for a real world price.
PS- THANKS FOR THE HELP!
Anyway's. I am going to leave this alone.
I can't really blame the owner, as it is a young woman who does not have a clue what she bought a few years ago.
My problem is that I am new to the old truck scene (not the car scene however) and I do not know todays market values of older trucks.
Someone, please point me in the direction of a RUST FREE stepside for a real world price.
PS- THANKS FOR THE HELP!
Last edited by NumberDummy; May 12, 2007 at 05:30 PM.
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JH225-My truck came from Arizona, the guy I bought it from had it shipped to the east coast then lost interest. He tried selling it between thanksgiving and chrismas 2 years ago(bad idea), no one would even look at it let a lone make an offer(untill I saw it). I couldn't believe how rust free the truck was!! I low balled him and he took it, just goes to show you timing can be everything!! I would have easily paid two or three times what I did.
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Originally Posted by Bob P1
Forgot to mention when I looked at the truck the husband was there doing the deal, I guess the wife is giving it a try. Truck is nice for $2500-$3000 that is about it.
Oh well, one will come along eventually..........
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After reading thru this post from front to back, I was relieved to hear that you were going to let the truck slide. I personally love the stepside longbeds (could never understand why there was a market for stepside shortbeds; if they were introduced in an era of trucks-as-utilitarian-vehicles, why would anybody opt for a LOWER cargo capacity than a longbed?), but I am VERY susceptable to justifying a high price for a vehicle because I "like" it. I've learned some hard lessons and THINK I've learned from them, but the "I just love it" factor is real, and valid. But 5k for that truck is too much.
I'd buy it for 2.5K and just drive the hell out of it.
I'd buy it for 2.5K and just drive the hell out of it.