Waxing
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Waxing
I washed my truck the other day (black lariat) and holy cow, there are a lot of swirl marks.. Anywho, I am goign to get a coat of wax on shortly. My question is this... Would an additional coat or two help protect and reduce swirl marks? Obviously I wouldn't do this all at the same time, but maybe a week apart. Does this have any negative effects?
Thanks guys..
Thanks guys..
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I recently posted this thread. A friend just called me and told me he used this on his and his wifes cars and he was amazed at the difference it made, even on swirl marks, and he did his by hand as well:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/6...ults-pics.html
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/6...ults-pics.html
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From: Kzoo
i had swirl marks on the hood and used a clay bar and did that whole thing, i was surprised how much stuff came off the paint and into the clay bar, it removed the swirl marks too, i think because i cant see them anymore but we'll see the next time i wash the truck.
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Originally Posted by fordtruckman
i had swirl marks on the hood and used a clay bar and did that whole thing, i was surprised how much stuff came off the paint and into the clay bar, it removed the swirl marks too, i think because i cant see them anymore but we'll see the next time i wash the truck.
For micro fine swirls Meguiars M21 is an excellent product that will fill the swirls, offer an extremely durable, wet, deep gloss to the surface that lasts and lasts!
How do I know...I have a black vehicle.
Note the only way to remove swirls is with something like Meguiars Scratch-X, but follow the directions!
And get over to the Meguiars website/Forum for great info!
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From: Kzoo
yeah thats the cool thing with a white truck is i rarely ever notice any imperfections in the paint, only if i look at it just right in the shade... oh well, see i wasn't sure if clay bar removed swirl marks obviously it doesn't but it sure made the paint smooth. By the way i used Meguiars gold class wax which looks awesome!
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I use Meguiars #80 to remove swirls.Of course there are several other good products that will remove them also.
There are some products out there that will temporarily hide swirls and some that will remove them.The key is after you remove the swirls don't do what ever you did to introduce the swirls into the paint in the first place.FWIW,Most swirling occurrs during the washing and drying(wiping) process.
8 out of my last 10 vehicles have been black and I currently have 3 black rides.So I have dealt with a few swirls in my days.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/mrbuick/Picture010Medium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...Picture021.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...twheels058.jpg
There are some products out there that will temporarily hide swirls and some that will remove them.The key is after you remove the swirls don't do what ever you did to introduce the swirls into the paint in the first place.FWIW,Most swirling occurrs during the washing and drying(wiping) process.
8 out of my last 10 vehicles have been black and I currently have 3 black rides.So I have dealt with a few swirls in my days.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/mrbuick/Picture010Medium.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...Picture021.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...twheels058.jpg
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If its a filmy type of swirl... a good SOFT wool bonnet will remove it nicely. The bonnet and a buffer would be even better.
I'll usually find a swirl or two in between wax coats... The clean soft bonnets have always saved the day for me.
I usually run through about 2-3 coats of cleaner/fine cut wax... (depending on alloted time) then 2 genuine coats of either Brazilian/ or Yellow "Cut" Pure Carnuba.. then if there is any time left in my day... then its a warm (Hand) rub with a Carnuba gel or another type of Brazilian.
Usually between the carnuba coats I'll see a good bit of swirl marks appear... but its only "left-over" film.
I'll usually find a swirl or two in between wax coats... The clean soft bonnets have always saved the day for me.
I usually run through about 2-3 coats of cleaner/fine cut wax... (depending on alloted time) then 2 genuine coats of either Brazilian/ or Yellow "Cut" Pure Carnuba.. then if there is any time left in my day... then its a warm (Hand) rub with a Carnuba gel or another type of Brazilian.
Usually between the carnuba coats I'll see a good bit of swirl marks appear... but its only "left-over" film.
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I use Griots Garage Machine Polishes followed by either their Paint Sealant or the Carnauba Wax. I use the Porter Cable polisher, and there's not too many swirls that stick around. A wax will fill in the scratches making them less noticeable, but they will still be there.
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i waxed my truck over the weekend using the maguires new synthetic wax from walmart. Looks great after wards. Pics on my profile of the truck all shiny.
I'm **** when washing my vehicles. I will run the truck through an automatic wash to remove grit then take it home and hand wash it. I never use the same sponge/mit twice. Fine particles get trapped and "swirl" the clear coat when you wash.
I'm **** when washing my vehicles. I will run the truck through an automatic wash to remove grit then take it home and hand wash it. I never use the same sponge/mit twice. Fine particles get trapped and "swirl" the clear coat when you wash.
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I had a Mustang GT that I originally has swirl marks in. I got stopped by a cop one time (go figure that) and at some point during the stop he actually told me to use Meguiars Deep Crystal polish to get rid of the swirls. I can't remember if I got written up.
He was right. The stuff is amazing.
He was right. The stuff is amazing.
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Swirls can be a real problem and destroy great looking paint. The easiest way to prevent the swirls is to rinse the car throughly prior to washing, ensure your wash rags (mitts) are very soft and clean (if they hit the ground ditch them), and use a deep wash bucket so the grit will settle to the bottom. No matter how cafeful you are, swirls WILL appear. This is what I use on a 07 White Sand Tri-Coat F150, black BMW, and 70 Mustang Convertible:
1. Claybar
2. 3M Fine Cut Rubbing Compound on a Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher - use carefully in very bad areas
3. Meguires #9 on a Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher
4. Zaino Z2 - 2 or 3 coats
5. Zaino Z5 - 2 coats to fill any remaining swirls
6. Zaino Z2 - 2 or 3 coats
7. Zaino Z6 - Between each coat of Zaino
This is a long process but the results are amazing and will typically last 12 months.
1. Claybar
2. 3M Fine Cut Rubbing Compound on a Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher - use carefully in very bad areas
3. Meguires #9 on a Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher
4. Zaino Z2 - 2 or 3 coats
5. Zaino Z5 - 2 coats to fill any remaining swirls
6. Zaino Z2 - 2 or 3 coats
7. Zaino Z6 - Between each coat of Zaino
This is a long process but the results are amazing and will typically last 12 months.
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Swirl what?
The paint doesn't swirl on it's on... The swirls are being put there by the technique of the individual washing the vehicle... a dark colored paint will show swirls everytime if it's washed (or waxed) by Mr. Miyagi... you know wax-on/wax-off in a circular motion.
For years wax manufactures have stated "the proper way to wax is in a circular over-lapping motion" and most people wash their cars the same way I watch my neighbors do it. I did it this way in my early years however, after many years of car shows and talking with people that had more experience than me at the time this technique is completely wrong.
The proper way to wash and wax a dark colored vehicle is in straight lines never in a circular motion using the two bucket method (one to rinse your mitt or cloth and one for soap). It takes more time to do it this way but it does prevent swirl marks and keeps the finish looking showroom new.
My black '06 Screw, '06 Mustang and '87 Grand National get washed and waxed using this technique and not a single swirl mark.
Just my .02.
For years wax manufactures have stated "the proper way to wax is in a circular over-lapping motion" and most people wash their cars the same way I watch my neighbors do it. I did it this way in my early years however, after many years of car shows and talking with people that had more experience than me at the time this technique is completely wrong.
The proper way to wash and wax a dark colored vehicle is in straight lines never in a circular motion using the two bucket method (one to rinse your mitt or cloth and one for soap). It takes more time to do it this way but it does prevent swirl marks and keeps the finish looking showroom new.
My black '06 Screw, '06 Mustang and '87 Grand National get washed and waxed using this technique and not a single swirl mark.
Just my .02.
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Originally Posted by BandBFord
The paint doesn't swirl on it's on... The swirls are being put there by the technique of the individual washing the vehicle... a dark colored paint will show swirls everytime if it's washed (or waxed) by Mr. Miyagi... you know wax-on/wax-off in a circular motion.
For years wax manufactures have stated "the proper way to wax is in a circular over-lapping motion" and most people wash their cars the same way I watch my neighbors do it. I did it this way in my early years however, after many years of car shows and talking with people that had more experience than me at the time this technique is completely wrong.
The proper way to wash and wax a dark colored vehicle is in straight lines never in a circular motion using the two bucket method (one to rinse your mitt or cloth and one for soap). It takes more time to do it this way but it does prevent swirl marks and keeps the finish looking showroom new.
My black '06 Screw, '06 Mustang and '87 Grand National get washed and waxed using this technique and not a single swirl mark.
Just my .02.
For years wax manufactures have stated "the proper way to wax is in a circular over-lapping motion" and most people wash their cars the same way I watch my neighbors do it. I did it this way in my early years however, after many years of car shows and talking with people that had more experience than me at the time this technique is completely wrong.
The proper way to wash and wax a dark colored vehicle is in straight lines never in a circular motion using the two bucket method (one to rinse your mitt or cloth and one for soap). It takes more time to do it this way but it does prevent swirl marks and keeps the finish looking showroom new.
My black '06 Screw, '06 Mustang and '87 Grand National get washed and waxed using this technique and not a single swirl mark.
Just my .02.
Sometimes the obvious needs to be stated...
Thanks for the tips.. It's very much appreciated.