64 F100 - Question
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64 F100 - Question
I'm looking at buying a 1964 F-100 Fleetside. The owner says it has been completely restored (frame off). It has the original 223 6cyl. Basic truck, very few options. So far I have only seen pictures but it does look nice. He wants $10,500. Just wondering if that sounds at all reasonable and if there is anything special I will need to check on this truck. Also, is there a source for original specifications?
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With the VIN you can decode the truck pretty easily. All of the info on the door tag is relevent.
$10,500 is top dollar for these trucks, especially a six. It should be show quality perfect for that price. Shortbeds are worth more than longbeds. 2wd is worth more than 4x4. Custom Cab is more desirable than standard cab.
$10,500 is top dollar for these trucks, especially a six. It should be show quality perfect for that price. Shortbeds are worth more than longbeds. 2wd is worth more than 4x4. Custom Cab is more desirable than standard cab.
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What the heck is a 1964 F100 Fleetside? Hmm, a Ford pickup with a Chevrolet bed...never seen one.
In Ford speak it's Styleside and Flareside. Fleetside and Stepside is what Chevrolet and GMC calls 'em. For a complete list of specifications, features, accessories and production figures, there's an excellent reference book available that tell you what you'll want to know.
Standard Catalog of Ford Light Duty Trucks 1905-2002 written by John Gunnell, krause.com ISBN: 0-87349-411-3
What the heck is a 1964 F100 Fleetside? Hmm, a Ford pickup with a Chevrolet bed...never seen one.
In Ford speak it's Styleside and Flareside. Fleetside and Stepside is what Chevrolet and GMC calls 'em. For a complete list of specifications, features, accessories and production figures, there's an excellent reference book available that tell you what you'll want to know.
Standard Catalog of Ford Light Duty Trucks 1905-2002 written by John Gunnell, krause.com ISBN: 0-87349-411-3
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Originally Posted by ddavidv
With the VIN you can decode the truck pretty easily. All of the info on the door tag is relevent.
$10,500 is top dollar for these trucks, especially a six. It should be show quality perfect for that price. Shortbeds are worth more than longbeds. 2wd is worth more than 4x4. Custom Cab is more desirable than standard cab.
$10,500 is top dollar for these trucks, especially a six. It should be show quality perfect for that price. Shortbeds are worth more than longbeds. 2wd is worth more than 4x4. Custom Cab is more desirable than standard cab.
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
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What the heck is a 1964 F100 Fleetside? Hmm, a Ford pickup with a Chevrolet bed...never seen one.
What the heck is a 1964 F100 Fleetside? Hmm, a Ford pickup with a Chevrolet bed...never seen one.
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Originally Posted by leftoverture
He's selling through a broker, so that's why the price is so high. I would expect to offer less. The VIN is F10JK544015, that's all the info I have without going to actually look at it. Thanks for your feedback.
J = 223 1V
K = Kansas City Assembly Plant
544015 = 1964
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A data point. I sold my '65 F-100 almost two years ago locally here in MD. I asked and got $3,500. (I could have gotten more, but not much more.) It was a CA truck, had a fresh 390 + stock T98 4-speed. It could be best descibed as an "older restoration" (not "frame off") that was ready for a new paint job, with a very straight body. It was a great driver. Unless you are going to put your truck in shows, there are a lot of trucks out there that are not so high.
P.S.: Check out the 223's oil pressure - put a gage on it if you have to. Those 223's have a weak, 4-main bottom end. Have an experienced mechanic listen for bottom end sounds. I have had good one's and bad one's. 223's are sweet-running when they are in good shape and you are not in a hurry.
P.S.: Check out the 223's oil pressure - put a gage on it if you have to. Those 223's have a weak, 4-main bottom end. Have an experienced mechanic listen for bottom end sounds. I have had good one's and bad one's. 223's are sweet-running when they are in good shape and you are not in a hurry.
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Originally Posted by acheda
P.S.: Check out the 223's oil pressure - put a gage on it if you have to. Those 223's have a weak, 4-main bottom end. Have an experienced mechanic listen for bottom end sounds. I have had good one's and bad one's. 223's are sweet-running when they are in good shape and you are not in a hurry.
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One man's rebuild is another man's overhaul . . .
If it was a recent rebuild by a pro, ask for the invoices. It is not the kind of thing that most people throw away, so be suspicious if he "lost them".
Ask if the block was bored & has new pistons and if the crank was ground & has new bearings. If these things (& many others) were not done, it was not rebuilt and I would again be suspicious. Rebuilt means ALL wearing surfaces are new, freshly machined, or measured to be within factory service limits. An overhaul can be almost anything, including a steam clean and a can of spray paint. Also "freshly" rebuilt could be a true rebuilt engine that a kid took to the drags for fun. At least find out how many miles were put on it.
Ask if the block was bored & has new pistons and if the crank was ground & has new bearings. If these things (& many others) were not done, it was not rebuilt and I would again be suspicious. Rebuilt means ALL wearing surfaces are new, freshly machined, or measured to be within factory service limits. An overhaul can be almost anything, including a steam clean and a can of spray paint. Also "freshly" rebuilt could be a true rebuilt engine that a kid took to the drags for fun. At least find out how many miles were put on it.
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Before parting with the long green, pay someone with mechanical abilty (not a friend) to evaluate the truck. Put it on a lube rack and check for rust on the frame and understructure. Many vehicles are cosmetically restored today for one reason~to sell at auctions or on ebay, where the sins are well hidden.
The 1964 models have no amenities like power steering/brakes (drums or discs), no cruise control or tilt wheel. If you are over 6' the cabs can become very cramped the longer you sit in one. The asking price is very high for a 1964, double what it's worth on the open market. The 1964's while resembling a 1965, are very different vehicles with an inferior 6 cylinder engine and old style suspension. I still have the 1965 F100 I purchased new. I'm 6-5 335lbs. and fit fine in the truck then, now it's a different story.
I buy and sell several 1960's Ford cars/trucks per year, and have owned 100's of old rides~Fords and other makes. Please consider doing some research before you buy. What acheda told you is very true. Rule of thumb: No paperwork--No buy.
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The 1964 models have no amenities like power steering/brakes (drums or discs), no cruise control or tilt wheel. If you are over 6' the cabs can become very cramped the longer you sit in one. The asking price is very high for a 1964, double what it's worth on the open market. The 1964's while resembling a 1965, are very different vehicles with an inferior 6 cylinder engine and old style suspension. I still have the 1965 F100 I purchased new. I'm 6-5 335lbs. and fit fine in the truck then, now it's a different story.
I buy and sell several 1960's Ford cars/trucks per year, and have owned 100's of old rides~Fords and other makes. Please consider doing some research before you buy. What acheda told you is very true. Rule of thumb: No paperwork--No buy.
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I'll agree with Bill, the '65-up have a lot to be said for them, including the twin-I-beam front suspension. A lot of stuff off Ford trucks up to '79 will fit on a '65, but not a '64. If you really want a six and a solid front axle, see the FTE classified ad for my '61:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/classifi...t=14896&cat=17
For $10,500, I'll complete all mechanical work, have it professionally painted the color of your choice, and deliver it to MN!
https://www.ford-trucks.com/classifi...t=14896&cat=17
For $10,500, I'll complete all mechanical work, have it professionally painted the color of your choice, and deliver it to MN!
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OK, so the theme seems to be the price is way too high. The owner claims to have all receipts for all the work, basically from the pictures and the list of work done it sounds like a show quality truck. Just out of curiousity, assuming all is legit and it is show quality, what would be a fair price?
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Originally Posted by leftoverture
OK, so the theme seems to be the price is way too high. The owner claims to have all receipts for all the work, basically from the pictures and the list of work done it sounds like a show quality truck. Just out of curiousity, assuming all is legit and it is show quality, what would be a fair price?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Buy it if it pleases you...but when you decide to sell it, don't expect it to sell right away...especially for that kind of money, and in that color. Color plays a big part in what stuff sells for, with many prefering red or black. While this truck may have the original green color (Caribbean Turquoise, Holly Green and Mint Green were offered in 1964), that might be a hindrance when selling it.
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Actually, the ad says the color is some kind of blue. Maybe not a factory original color??? I like the color well enough, but my biggest interest in the 64 model year is that it qualifies to be in our Back to the 50's car show here in MN. That show only allows 64 and older. But based on feedback on this forum, I doubt I will buy it. Sounds like just too much money. I have a car I have to sell first anyway and I haven't put it up yet because the weather has been crappy, they're forecasting 2-4 inches of snow for tomorrow. But thanks everyone for all the feedback!