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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 11:01 PM
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a little physics help?

I'm having a little trouble figuring this one out..

two blocks are free to slide along a frictionless wooden track ABC (basically a ramp with A 5m up and B at the base of the ramp and C a distance off to the right. A block of mass m1=5kg is dropped from A (5m up). Protruding from its front end is the north pole of a strong magnet, repelling the north pole of an identical magnet embedded in the back end of the block of mass m2=10kg (at point B at the base of the ramp), initially at rest. The two blocks never touch. Calculate the maximum height to which m1 rises after the elastic collision.
A|
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just round the slope off, and thats all the details given in the picture.

What i have so far is that Pi=Pf and Ki=Kf because it is elastic, so

we have Pi= m1Vi1 and Pf=m1vf,1 + m2v2
and Ki=1/2 m1vi^2 and Kf=1/2m1vf,1^2 + 1/2 m2v2^2

This would be much clearer if I knew how to do subscripts on here.. but am I on the right track? I guess what I'm missing is how to find the initial velocity, which is probably from another lesson (I've fallen behind a little bit and I'm still trying to catch up)

thanks for any help!
 
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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 07:14 AM
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How far would block M1 rise? Does this mean rebound back towards A after colliding with M2? If so, I'm thinking trick question. M1 transferrs all it's energy to M2 and m1 stops at B while M2 moves to C. Answer = 0.
 
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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 10:35 AM
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Yes, it means back towards A. Even with the elastic collision would it stop?
 
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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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M1 will have some kinetic energy (Ki) from falling plus the two opposite force of the magnetic flux. Determine the Magnetic flux as a form of energy. Determine those properties as a scalar and vector forms of the magnetic energy density flux. What equations are you using, such asFaraday's law or Neuton's law in your physic class?
 

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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 10:45 AM
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Newtons, we are just learning about momentum though.. I don't think the fact that its a magnet makes any difference in this particular problem, just that its perfectly elastic, right?
 
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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 10:47 AM
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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 10:47 AM
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Haha, yes cmpd.. there's always someone here to help me with my homework when I can't figure it out, its great!
 
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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 10:50 AM
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M1 will starts at velocity 0 m/s at V1 with KE=0 and will need to determine velocity V2 at 5m at point B for M1. M2 (10 kg) initial velocity, V3 is 0. Momentum is equal to mass times velocity. V2 = V1 + at , a = 9.8 (m/s)/s (gravity). Time it take 5kg mass to fall 5 meters, t = 1.02 seconds.

Begining physics sometimes used a= 10 (m/s)/s. Check your physic book for what constant to use for gravitional acceleration.

The final velocity of M1 (5kg), V2 = 10 m/s = Vf
 

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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 07:05 AM
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So, what was the correct answer?
 
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 09:26 AM
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You know, girls are a lot more interesting...............probably why I barely survived physics class - skip the theory and go right after practical application.
 
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Old Apr 6, 2007 | 12:28 PM
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Yeah, thats why I don't know whats going on, haha.

I'll post the right answer later tonight.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 01:02 PM
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The final velocity of M1 (5kg), V2 = 10 m/s = Vf just before impact of M2.
 
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Old Apr 9, 2007 | 09:41 PM
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1975ford's got it, and to find momentum, just take the mass (5kg) and multiply it times the 10 m/s so you get 50 Newtons of force.

Pi=50N=Pf(from what you said was given)
Ki=250 N/s=Kf(from what was given)
 

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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 04:16 PM
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What was the answer.
 
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Old Apr 23, 2007 | 04:56 PM
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oops, forgot about this thread! here's the answers..

speed of m1 just before collision = 9.90m/s
speed of m1 just after collision = -3.30m/s
at it rose to .556 m
 
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