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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 02:28 PM
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Question 4.2 Will Not Start

Truck (97' F150 4.2) is acting up and I wanted to see if y'all had any ideas. I drove it on the freeway and back home for a 30 mile round trip. No problems. Got home and turned it off. Went back a few minutes later to move it and it wouldn't start. First it started and ran like crap. Rough idle and would stall. Now it just cranks and cranks.

No engine codes thrown. Battery is 12v when sitting and around 10 volts while cranking.

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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 03:51 PM
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Is your coolant level low or have you had to add any coolant?
 
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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 04:05 PM
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Had a similar symptom on my son's '95 T-Bird. In our case, it turned out to be something to do with the stock anti-theft electronics. I wish I could be more specific, but I was at a loss and had a shop track it down. I was chasing ghosts and couldn't find it.

We could work around it sometimes by unplugging the wiring harness from the engine and plug it back in again. We heard a crisp "click", the computer reset, and the car would more than likely start.

Hope it helps.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueOvalFitter
Is your coolant level low or have you had to add any coolant?
My buddy started this thread for me, but it's my truck. I know about the early 4.2 hydrolock issue. I pulled all the plugs this evening and no antifreeze on any of them. Still have coolant in the overflow bottle too. I was smelling antifreeze when it's hot, but haven't found a leak anywhere (yet).
We're leaning towards a bad fuel pump. Anyone know of a sure fire way to test if that's the case? The truck will start if I dump gas down the throttle body, but runs rough for a few seconds and then dies. Thanks for the help!
 
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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 08:34 PM
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We need more info. Did you have an SES light or anything previous to this condition?

Try putting the gas pedal to the floor while cranking, see if the truck will start.

Try putting the gas pedal at 50% while cranking, see if the truck will start.

When you first put in the key and turn it can you hear the fuel pump run for 2 seconds? Have someone stick their head down by the tank if you cant hear from the cab.

Those 3 things are going to get us a good starting point, i have further steps we can take after we have tried a few things and have more info.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 08:35 PM
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I think you should go with the fuel pump "huntch". When they quit, they just quit. The fuel pump relay may be bad but they normally dont go bad. If it runs while spraying fuel in the plentum, its probally the fuel pump...
 
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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by thehawk789
We need more info. Did you have an SES light or anything previous to this condition?

Try putting the gas pedal to the floor while cranking, see if the truck will start.

Try putting the gas pedal at 50% while cranking, see if the truck will start.

When you first put in the key and turn it can you hear the fuel pump run for 2 seconds? Have someone stick their head down by the tank if you cant hear from the cab.

Those 3 things are going to get us a good starting point, i have further steps we can take after we have tried a few things and have more info.
No CEL lights or any sign of problem before it died. Tried all those things while cranking, same result. I was under the truck while a friend cranked it over. Not a peep from the pump.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 09:59 PM
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Yeah, sounds like a bad fuel pump. If you want you can whack on the bottom of the fuel tank with a large rubber hammer while your buddy cranks it, it will probably start then, but still run like crap. I wouldnt replace the whole sending unit, just get a pump.
 
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Old Apr 2, 2007 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by thehawk789
I wouldnt replace the whole sending unit, just get a pump.
Thanks for the help. I thought it was all one assembly, but I guess not. I want to get an OEM replacement, who has the best prices?
 
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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 03:49 AM
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i hace had this problem with my 4.2 once i found out that i had blown the fuse
for the pump it is a 30 amp fuse to check if that is the problem just turn the key
to the on spot and if the cel dose not come on try putting a fuse in
 
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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 05:24 PM
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good point, do check the fuse, and if you drop the tank check your power and ground at the fuel pump.
However usually when motors in general go bad they go high amp draw- which would blow a fuse. Starters and window motors are good examples of this but with a starter you would hvae to measure with a vat 40 or some type of ammmeter
 
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Old Apr 3, 2007 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by crazyscott
i hace had this problem with my 4.2 once i found out that i had blown the fuse
That's the first thing I checked. Thanks!
 
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Old Apr 4, 2007 | 06:30 PM
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I ordered a fuel pump from RockAuto.com. Supposed to get it tomorrow and plan on installing it myself. Any tips/tricks for dropping the gas tank? It's only about 1/4 full right now.
 
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Old Apr 4, 2007 | 09:22 PM
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A good floor jack, A good friend, Patience, and a 12 pack.....
 
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Old Apr 4, 2007 | 11:15 PM
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couldnt have said it better myself. yes to all of the above. pretty much a matter of getting the jack in place, removing the straps that hold the tank in, lowering it carefully and unplugging anything thats holding it up- wires, hoses, etc.
 
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