Mel
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#17
hey 46 a side question do you have any data for transmission gear ratios for the 164 series N-700's with the 5 speed transmission (non overdrive) ?????
could use the gear ratios for 1st thru fifth and if you have it the high and low ratios for the rear end as my Motors manuals are not here with me
Anything you have I would appreciate
could use the gear ratios for 1st thru fifth and if you have it the high and low ratios for the rear end as my Motors manuals are not here with me
Anything you have I would appreciate
#18
Here is what I can find, but only have a 1956 manual which is scattered since its pages separated from the binding some years ago:
5 speed medium duty, direct drive 5th gear: 7.08, 4.09, 2.38, 1.47, 1.00
5 speed heavy duty, direct drive 5th: 7.58, 4.38, 2.40, 1.48, 1.00
The heavy duty is listed for only F-750, B-750, and C-750. The medium duty was found in those same models, plus a big group from 600 & 700 series.
Nothing is available here on the rear ratios. Hopefully someone else with more info and an updated manual will help out.
5 speed medium duty, direct drive 5th gear: 7.08, 4.09, 2.38, 1.47, 1.00
5 speed heavy duty, direct drive 5th: 7.58, 4.38, 2.40, 1.48, 1.00
The heavy duty is listed for only F-750, B-750, and C-750. The medium duty was found in those same models, plus a big group from 600 & 700 series.
Nothing is available here on the rear ratios. Hopefully someone else with more info and an updated manual will help out.
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kbart71, if you have your axle code I can look up the ratios for you. Also they are stamped on the top of the carrier. Your transmission is likely a clark 250 if your original engine was a 292. Can't find ratios for it though. There is absolutely no question that the engine in your gallery photo is a HD332, also known as a "332 industrial" (probably to avoid confusion with the car 332FE) , and the "lincoln Y". You'll need a HD302 or HD332 bellhousing to make it work. It would have been an option for your N700. The 292 bell will not bolt to it.
#20
1963 N-700's had 6 different rear axle options...I have all the ratios for all the rear axles, what rear axle do you have?
Ford did not rebuild any engines. Tomador Engine Co in Los Angeles rebuilt all the engines (and everything else) for Ford from the 1950's thru the 1990's for distribution in the 11 Western States, Alaska and Hawaii. Tomador was also known as Genuine Parts Distributors (GPD). GPD had a contract with Ford, their packaging reflected Ford, their parts were sometimes bought from Ford, but GPD was not owned by Ford.
Mercury Marauder Y Blocks? Since when? No such animal, because no Marauders were made till the early 1960's, and all had FE engines. During the mid to late 1950's, there were other Lincoln-Mercury Y blocks. The 317 of 1954 became the 341 of 1955, then the 368, then the 383, and last, the 430. Don't assume you have a 430, a 383 looks identical. The factory 3 duece set up and aluminum valve covers were used on 1957/58 Mercury Turnpike Cruisers, and optional in the Parklane Series. 1957 TP Cruisers had a 368, 1958 had a 430. 1960 Mercs had either a 383 or a 430. Just to make things more confusing, the 430 was dropped in 1966 and replaced for a short time by a larger version, the 462.
The Edsel 361 FE and Y block 410 were only used in 1958. There also was no such thing as M-E-L till 1959. The Edsel Division was formed in 1956 to produce the E-Car which became the 1958 Edsel. Most of the engineers, stylists and even the president of the Division, James J. Nance had come over from Packard, which folded in March 1956. The 1958 Edsel was a complete sales flop. The Edsel Division was soon disbanded and the remnants were folded into the Lincoln-Mercury Division in the fall of 1958.
Ford did not rebuild any engines. Tomador Engine Co in Los Angeles rebuilt all the engines (and everything else) for Ford from the 1950's thru the 1990's for distribution in the 11 Western States, Alaska and Hawaii. Tomador was also known as Genuine Parts Distributors (GPD). GPD had a contract with Ford, their packaging reflected Ford, their parts were sometimes bought from Ford, but GPD was not owned by Ford.
Mercury Marauder Y Blocks? Since when? No such animal, because no Marauders were made till the early 1960's, and all had FE engines. During the mid to late 1950's, there were other Lincoln-Mercury Y blocks. The 317 of 1954 became the 341 of 1955, then the 368, then the 383, and last, the 430. Don't assume you have a 430, a 383 looks identical. The factory 3 duece set up and aluminum valve covers were used on 1957/58 Mercury Turnpike Cruisers, and optional in the Parklane Series. 1957 TP Cruisers had a 368, 1958 had a 430. 1960 Mercs had either a 383 or a 430. Just to make things more confusing, the 430 was dropped in 1966 and replaced for a short time by a larger version, the 462.
The Edsel 361 FE and Y block 410 were only used in 1958. There also was no such thing as M-E-L till 1959. The Edsel Division was formed in 1956 to produce the E-Car which became the 1958 Edsel. Most of the engineers, stylists and even the president of the Division, James J. Nance had come over from Packard, which folded in March 1956. The 1958 Edsel was a complete sales flop. The Edsel Division was soon disbanded and the remnants were folded into the Lincoln-Mercury Division in the fall of 1958.
Last edited by NumberDummy; 04-19-2007 at 04:45 AM.
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holy piston shafts bat man thats a lot of information to digest (still waiting on numbers for engine and rear etc. ) e-mailed home to get them the other night have not had a response yet but i will definately post them here when i get them although at this rate I'll be home to check them for myself first. I appreciate everyones help here has definately made me think
BART
BART
#22
It's tempting here to get into a lengthy discussion about MELs, but the fact of the matter is that this is a truck site and MELs never had the remotest thing to do with trucks, not even pickups. By the time the MEL came out Ford was only two years away from introducing the super duty engines for heavy trucks, the 292 was doing just fine in the light and mediums trucks, and the Lincoln industrial could fill in between until the FTs came out in '65. The MELs earned their keep throughout the 60s in Lincolns and T-birds (and Mercurys?) until the early seventies, when they were replaced by the 460.
Anyway Kbart71 maybe you should start a thread on Lincoln industrials since you apparently now own one.
Anyway Kbart71 maybe you should start a thread on Lincoln industrials since you apparently now own one.
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no kidding What is a MEL so far it's Not a y block and it's not an FE or a windsor or a modular engine obviously , definately not a 300 six cylinder , Maybe a MEL is a peice of Alien technology go figure .............It's a goverment conspiracy to confuse Goofy Rednecks like myself....... (ok sorry had to throw in the government Conspiracy and alien technology part just needed said)
#27
An MEL (Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln) is a Ford engine family that is most commonly represented by the Lincoln 462 of the sixties and early seventies, but they actually came out in 1957 or 1958 as the Mercury 383, Edsel 410, and Lincoln 430. In cars, they replaced the car versions of the Lincoln Ys that we've been discussing (341, 368, etc). They're big, high compression torque monster engines with alot of unusual design features. They're roughly contemporary to the FEs, and share the same bellhousing pattern (with some exceptions).
There's more here:
The (MEL) 383, 410, 430, 462 Engine Forum
There's more here:
The (MEL) 383, 410, 430, 462 Engine Forum
#28
Mike, the 430 MEL in my 56 F350 sitting in my driveway still has your name on it. If you want, send me a PM and I'll give you the address if I have'nt already - feel free to stop by and pop the hood for a picture or two. Also, there is an engine manual in the glove box. I intend to get down that way sometime this month!
Brian
Brian
#29
Originally Posted by NumberDummy
...no Marauders were made till the early 1960's, and all had FE engines.
During the mid to late 1950's, there were other Lincoln-Mercury Y blocks. The 317 of 1954 became the 341 of 1955, then the 368, then the 383, and last, the 430.
Don't assume you have a 430, a 383 looks identical.
The factory 3 duece set up and aluminum valve covers were used on 1957/58 Mercury Turnpike Cruisers, and optional in the Parklane Series. 1957 TP Cruisers had a 368, 1958 had a 430.
The 1957 MERCURY TPC offering was the LINC 368 rated @ 290HP. A dual four barrel version (M-335) was available in the TPC and other models and was rated @335HP.
The Edsel 361 FE and Y block 410 were only used in 1958.
There also was no such thing as M-E-L till 1959. The Edsel Division was formed in 1956 to produce the E-Car which became the 1958 Edsel.
The Edsel Division was soon disbanded and the remnants were folded into the Lincoln-Mercury Division in the fall of 1958.
The Edsel Division was soon disbanded and the remnants were folded into the Lincoln-Mercury Division in the fall of 1958.
The new organization, under the control of James J. Nance (the former President of PACKARD), was responsible for engineering, manufacturing and marketing of MERCURY, EDSEL, and LINCOLN cars, plus the marketing of ANGLIA, PREFECT, CONSUL, ZEPHYR and ZODIAC passenger cars and the THAMES van trucks.
-55 Years of MERCURY
John A. Gunnell
On November 19, 1959, Ford discontinued the Edsel marque and the final car rolled off the assembly line by the end of the month. MERCURY was combined with LINCOLN to form the LINCOLN-MERCURY DIVISION.