lol no offense, but u are old school man ^^^ roll the window down and listen, personally like being able to talk to the guy next to me. instead of listening to the howl of my 32s... you can never have too many cupholder in a work truck ive got change in some, beverages in some and various spray cans in the rear ones, i dunno you bout you but i will take the auto dim mirrors and the mileage til empty gauge along with power windows, and push button 4x4 <<< nice feature and hubs that you dont have to get out of the truck to lock in, all are good features man... the price of the truck you are getting hasnt jumped up to outragious levels or anything, if ford gave up on the bling they would loose buyers and go out of business because we all know trucks is where they make the big bucks, if they made a truck with power nothing, an average engine on a roughriding loud body they wouldnt sell any,

ford looks at it, 100,000 soccer moms want to buy a truck that rides nice, is quiet and looks good, 100,000 guys want a truck that can pull alot and haul alot without getting a 1ton, then they look and 50,000 guys that just want a truck just because it looks nice and has a alot of coool features for the annual drive to the lake.... so they built a truck that satisfies everyone, they DO make f150s that are gutted with no options.... and steel wheels with no chrome for guys that dont need it, so there you go..


now BACK ON THE TOPIC of this thread

 

Don't get me wrong, All of My trucks have AC, Power Windows, Cruise. But they don't have 200 extra lbs, 20" wheels, ect.

Heck, If they build a Diesel F150 that will actually work, is simple to maintain, gets 25+MPG, and not tuned to the edge, I'll buy it. If it's a glorified grocery getter, or so high strung, living on the ragged edge, trying to out do Dodge, Chev, count me out.

Ford sold more trucks per capita in the 90's, than they do today. There's prolly multiple reasons for it. But I'd say more than a few people feel just like I do.
Who's going to feel comfortable buying a $30K Scab long box, and putting employee's in it?

 

the wheels are an option, you don't have to get them, and 200lbs is nothing for our trucks, it wouldn't be like they were lightning fast if they didn't have that 200 lbs, my friands think that the F-150 is the closest to a car that they have been in, yet it is a TRUCK

 

If Ford Could knock 1000 lbs of the weight off the truck, that would'nt make you happy?
Most of the F150's weigh as much as my 93 F250 Scab Long Box with a 1000 lb diesel engine.

It be like getting 50 free HP. Not to mention better fuel economy.

 

technology is heavy, it sucks but its true

 

fonefiddy, I'm on your side. There is absolutly NO excuse for the mediocre performance of fords these days. The 6.4L diesel was designed to be the most powerful diesel in the market and a "victory at all cost" philosophy was adopted toward that end, and the result was an expencive engine that could rarely touch 16mpg. If technology has come so far, why is it that no one can reach 20mpg anymore? The 300 inline six was a mpg machine, but ford killed it despite a long tradition of repeat customers.

And why hasn't the hp increaced over the years as well? for all the increaced technology and computer integration a 351w with a cam and headers will easily be a match for the triton V8s.

A 6.9L diesel with dropped compression, a huge turbo and arp head studs will easily match the 6.4L, except without all the "technology" that makes the new fords so complex and costly.

And whats so bad about old school? I like to call myself that and I'm only 22.

 

David you are just wrong on a couple of points. A 351ci Windsor has what 240 hp stock? and now 330ci has 300/365 stock? Less displacement and way more power. That is more ponies per drop of gas no matter how you look at it. Have you or fiddley even driven an 04+ truck? I see both of ya'll don't have on listed in your sig. The triton V8's are far far far more durable than any past ford gas engine. Yeah you can take a 1980 F-150 w/a 351W and spend 2k on the motor and it will be faster than a 2008 F-150 w/ the 5.4 that weighs 2k pounds more and gets better mpg. Then you could drop 3k into the 5.4 and itll smoke the 28 year old engine you just spent 2k on.
Every generation of trucks ford has made have gone forward in every department in my opinion.
With the extra weight you get a quietter truck which amazingly you are the first person I have ever heard complain about. You get a safer truck. Would you like to give up your adaptive airbags and super stiff cabin to save .002 mpg?
I think it looks like ya'll are just picking at nitts over these superior trucks.
When what you should actually be complaining about is the F****** seats that come in these luxo haulers.

 

I've been reading thru this and other threads and not sure if I understand the timing on a diesel for the F150.

When will I be able to purchase a diesel F150? Has it been officially announced for MY 2009? Would that mean a Sept. 2008 purchase date, or is there talk of releasing early like the 08 SuperDuty?

I'm a PSD owner and love the truck, but it's just a little more truck than I need. I'm sold on diesel for longevity and mpg's. I put 40K+ per year on my truck and I am getting 19 mpg on the highway unloaded. Therefore, a 4.4L in a lighter truck should get 21 or more, I would think.

Listen up Ford - give me a diesel with a little smoother ride than the SuperDuty, and the tow command package and I've got my checkbook ready.

 

I've driven 4-5 of the new gen F150's. Very nice. But, to much fluff for my tastes. And like I've stated, it needs to loose 1000 lbs. I'd say it's very comparable to my 93 5.0
And it gets about the same fuel milage. We'll talk about durability when someone gets 225,000 miles on a Triton, carrying 800-1000lbs on it every day. Like my first 5.0 did.

I drove my BIL's 07 Titan, today. That was impresive, also. Allthough, I need an 8' box, so that's out of the question.

 

trucks are made to be heavy, id rather have a truck that can hold its own pulling a trailller with 4 700lb quads on it then putting it behind a old 93 and work the crap out of the truck and get tossed all over on a windy day, been there done that , i dont care if she weighs more if it does the same job better then the old ones. im affraid if u want light weight and less options the ranger line might be the way to go because unless u take the box off of a 150 and cut out a bunch of that heavy duty frame i dont think 1000lbs is going anywhere heck put some little 18inch tires on it that ought to get you down 4-500.... then you would have your mileage you want but you would jjust be stuck on wet grass with it

 

Then I guess, for you, the F150 is fine weighing as much as a Super Duty?
I think that Ford is not doing anyone a favor by overlapping the weight ratings as they do. They hurt the F150 by over building it, and lose Super Duty sales to the F150.

Plus they sell moe than 50% of them to people that use them as oversized commuters.
They hurt the whole nation by keeping the fuel economy the same as it has been for 20 years.

Plus they'd have customers lined up around the block, if they built one that got 25MPG, or more.

As far as towing/heavy loads, why do you think I own 2-F250's?

I'd like an F150 that will get 25 MPG. The only way that's going to happen is if they get the weight under control. They sell a V6, but it can barely get out of it's own way, trying to move the truck alone.

The F250 Scab 2X4 V10 weighs around 6200 lbs. The F150 Scab 2X4 Triton weighs around 5800.

 

i wonder if anyone has thought to WHY the 5.4 makes more power than the older 351...

 

zman764, I did not say a stock 351w would match a stock triton. What I was trying to say is that for all the increased complexity of the newer fords, all that is needed to close the gap is a mild buildup of an older, simpler engine. The triton may be a smaller displacement engine, but the exterior package is larger.

As for airbags, I'm not a fan of them and never will be, but I know I am in the minority with that as well. I am sceptical of the cab structure as well, especially with all that weight, I've seen what happens to full size trucks when they are rolled off the highway, and its not a pretty sight (that one was not a ford though).

I'm not trying to start an argument here, just stating my opinion, if you feel different, than let me have it, I don't mind hearing the other side.


BTW, whats wrong with the seats? I won't not pick on those, because of the crappy bench seat that both my trucks came with did a real number on my back on longer trips (they also wear out quickly).

 

i have 5 of them at my dad's office when do you want to see them?

P.S.- 3 of them are over that

 

And what does all of this have to do with a Diesel block in Tupy? I think we are a little off topic here with the 5.4L VS 5.8L