Ford Vs. Isuzu
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Ford Vs. Isuzu
Hey, i had a question. My friend has a 1996 Rodeo with the 3.2l V6, and i have a '96 F150 with the 4.9L. Im wondering if we tried a tug of war, who is most likely to win? And could someone tell me what the correct way to pull with a manual shift? thanks
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i'd say you'd most likely win, as the 300 undoubtedly has more low end torque than the 3.2. but i wouldnt suggest trying a tug of war, as it could cause serious damage to parts of you or your buddy's driveline.
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though it could cause damage, it is usually just a u joint on a truck like yours, i pulled my f.150 for 2 summers and never broke anything( i had new u joints though), honestly u would win, no question about it
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hmmm, heavy truck with renown pulling engine versus light suv with itty bitty cruising engine... yeah, you'd slaughter him. or at least you should..... you better..... the honor of the 300 is at stake, you'd better not lose..... j/k
to pull him, drop yours into 4wd low range, put it into first gear on the manual, and just go. that way you don't have enough speed to really lose traction. thats always the biggest risk. throw some weight in the back to help, but you shouldn't need it. and make sure and hook up to the frame, or to a solid bumper that is securely attached to the frame. remember, its not a race, as soon as his tires lose traction, you could haul him wherever you wanted. that why the 300 is great, its the tortise vs. the hare, strong and solid, just doesn't quit.
to pull him, drop yours into 4wd low range, put it into first gear on the manual, and just go. that way you don't have enough speed to really lose traction. thats always the biggest risk. throw some weight in the back to help, but you shouldn't need it. and make sure and hook up to the frame, or to a solid bumper that is securely attached to the frame. remember, its not a race, as soon as his tires lose traction, you could haul him wherever you wanted. that why the 300 is great, its the tortise vs. the hare, strong and solid, just doesn't quit.
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Motor versus motor the 300 inline will walk all over the 3.2 V6 when it comes to pulling. The inline makes a majority of it's usable power at lower rpms where it's needed... much like a diesel. The V6 doesn't start building good torque numbers until it hits uselessly high rpms. Both vehicles 4wd? You will drag him no problem. It all comes down to traction, he who spins 1st loses.
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Is he 2wd also? If not he might have the upper hand because of traction. Yes tires are everything, 4 wheels bite better than 2. I would drop tire pressure and put some weight in the bed. The number one thing you need before anything else is traction... I can't stress it enough! Good luck!
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I wouldn't do it... I am speaking from experience. my buddy and I got bored so we did the same thing on pavement. I was driving the red truck in my gallery (see the pic with my driveshaft on the pavement) and he was driving his 85 wagoneer. I put mine in 4lo and 1st, as soon as i stopped slipping the clutch and let it fully engage (centerforce) BANG!!! I thought my buddy broke his jeep.....but nope, my slip yoke blew up and so did my ujoint. I wouldn't do it again. He drove away with a win, and I drove away with a loss... in front wheel drive and a $100 repair for parts. It was fun but def. not worth it.
Can you imagine the torque i was sending through my driveline on pavement, 36"tires, 4lo and 1st...yikes, no wonder i broke.
Can you imagine the torque i was sending through my driveline on pavement, 36"tires, 4lo and 1st...yikes, no wonder i broke.
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Yeah I know what you're talking about... breaking parts and all. A couple buddies of mine had a tuggawar, 99 S10 ZR2 versus 87 Jeep Cherokee XJ. When all was said and done the Chevy had blown the entire front differential case apart! It's hard on drivetrain parts, and not really worth the trouble.
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not worth the trouble.... isn't that what parts trucks are for? yeah, i've snapped axle shafts, and u joints, and bellhousings, and diffs, and spun clutches and.... well, you get the idea. yeah, pavement is harder on the driveline than hooking up on dirt.
and kaotikedge_111100, i know where you're coming from, but in all honesty, how long were you expecting stock slip driveline to last on 35's? not being hostile, but hell, we're truck guys, we break things... at least i do...
generally speaking, hooking up chains (or straps) isn't much harder on the drivetrain than pulling a heavy trailer. tighen slowly, get high tension, then go. if it breaks, it was a weak link in need of replacing.
and kaotikedge_111100, i know where you're coming from, but in all honesty, how long were you expecting stock slip driveline to last on 35's? not being hostile, but hell, we're truck guys, we break things... at least i do...
generally speaking, hooking up chains (or straps) isn't much harder on the drivetrain than pulling a heavy trailer. tighen slowly, get high tension, then go. if it breaks, it was a weak link in need of replacing.
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Navy, your logic is off. People sometimes want to know if they'll break something before they go and do something stupid. I had no expectations going into my pull, and I didn't care if I broke or I wouldn't have done it. Just trying to say if you don't have the money to fix your truck then it's not a good idea!!
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Something to think about is while you have the better pulling motor, he may have a gearing advantage. Most of the 4x2 trucks got gears like 3.0's or 2.75's and alot of those smaller SUV's with high winding 6 cylinders come with 4.11's or deeper because they need them.
My dad has a Nissan Xterra that makes about 220lbs of torque, but has 4.64 gears stock. My truck has a 300 and 3.5's. While my truck will definitely out tug the nissan if i slip into compound low, in "normal" first gear he has about a 10% torque advantage due to his gearing (this also doesn't count his converter slip in the auto) and definitely has the traction advantage in 4x2.
It is something to consider.
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My dad has a Nissan Xterra that makes about 220lbs of torque, but has 4.64 gears stock. My truck has a 300 and 3.5's. While my truck will definitely out tug the nissan if i slip into compound low, in "normal" first gear he has about a 10% torque advantage due to his gearing (this also doesn't count his converter slip in the auto) and definitely has the traction advantage in 4x2.
It is something to consider.
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ive pulled a 97 1500 z71 350 TBI chevy in only 4lo (killed my motor in 2wd and 4hi)and a dodge 2500 2wd 360 because i was the beter driver, and i gave a hoped up 6.9 diesel a run but he had bald tires but i still ended up losing bad lol. SO its part skill part motor and a big chunk of tracton 
