ok I'm having trouble finding the original color and some other info about this truck through the VIN, any of you number guru's able to help?

VIN F10JR220190

WB: 114

Color: B

Trans: F
Axle: 12

From the VIN itself I know that she was assembled in San Jose, with a 223 CID, and the axle code states it could be a 9", but as for the Trans, it's a 4 speed floor shift, but which one? I've taken the last 2 weeks purusing all 396 pages of posts, and have found a lot of nice ideas on which route to go with the resto. I've posted the only pic I've got in my album, and that was taken about a month before she became mine. Glad to finally find a site like this.

 

Boy, it's VIN decoding day around here...give me 10 minutes or so...brb

 

F10=F100

J=223 I-6

R=San Jose, CA

220190=1962 (Built October 1961)

WB 114=114"

Color B=Turquoise

Trans F=4 Speed Warner T89A

Axle 12=Ford 9" 3.89-1 .. 3.3M

 

Thanx for the quick reply, was hoping I had the T89 in her, I had a T18 in my old 69 F250. I'll definately be around as my new baby grows into her old self again.

 

Whoudini74, How do you know that you don't have a T89 in the truck?

John

 

Bill, This site has vin decoding available https://www.ford-trucks.com/vin-decoder/index.php

I know that you love it, but you don't have to run everyone of them. Heaven Forbid you should get sick and couldn't show up for a few days.

John

 

Well to my understanding, (mebbe I'm wrong) the T89 and T18 were the only two 4 speeds that ford used, where the reverse gear was all the way to the right and bust your knuckles on the dash. So right now I'm pretty sure it's still got the T89, I'll have to crawl underneath or remove the floorpan to check the numbers this weekend when I get the time. I'll let ya know what I find, Still fooling around with the wiring, someone did a hack job before I got it, and I've got no electrical power whatsoever right now.

 

OK, I'll bite.

The transmission code indicates one or the other, and it isn't specific which one it is. Transmission code F can be either a T-18 or a T-98. Both are 4 speeds, with a "granny" gear for first, or low, and a side cover down low for a PTO.
Externally, they appear to be identical. If I remember right, the T-18 has a screw on retainer for the shift lever, whereas the T-98 has a push-and-turn pop-out retainer. But, I have heard that some T-18s used T-98 shifter assemblies,so that may not be a sure guide.

I have also removed an NP-435 from a '65 Camper Special, with no evidence that it was not original.

The T-89 is a big beefy three speed transmission, with a 9-bolt side cover. I don't think it was ever used in Slicks.

Oh, and yes. The T-18 WILL bust your knuckles on the dash!

 

Yes, it is a T-98A..not the T89A I said above...sorry....TYPO

BP: The T98A is the only F code transmission in the 1957/63 Parts catalog, that applies to this application. The other F code listed.is a 4 speed Dagenham.

 

Thanx ND, much appreciated. Either way T98,T89, or T18 it's a good transmission, that if taken care of is darned near bullet-proof. So much so that the T98 is getting scarce to find in these parts, and I had a T18 in my 69 F250,(not original tranny), which I'm looking at buying back. But will see after I get my tax returns.

 

Are we ready to RUMBLE!!??

Of course not. ND, I am hoping you, with your excellent part numbers experience, can weigh in on this for my own sake, to help me understand and interpret better what I have and how to use it. The end result will be better information for all of us here at FTE. By the way, thanks for the e-mails!
The picture below is right out of the Ford books I have, not some CD or DVD I bought somewhere.
The "F" code seems to tell me it can be either a T-98A or T-19. It seems that an earlier book might have listed only one of them, and this corrected it perhaps? I can also see where an editor should have made separate lines for the T-98A and the T-18, but didn't and lumped them together. If so, then F would have jumped to a different line to indicate the year it changed from T-98A to T-18.

Notice also the NP 435 was used as well - which confirms the originality of the one I saw in that '65 I dissected.

Interestingly enough, the Dagenham 4 speed is shown as being in the Econolines only, according to this. Does this mean the Econolines with Dagenhams had a 4-speed column shifter??!! That would be a cool thing to see -or adapt to a Slick.

Anyway, I look forward to your thoughts.

 

The actual book I'm using is the original 1957/63 Ford Truck Parts Catalogs, Red Cover with Black Index feature on right. Last printing: 1970

I prefer books, they're faster than a fiche, and a CD. I learned on books, microfiche introduced 1967. (I was a Studebaker/Packard partsman before I went to Ford).

A in-complete* set of these books had no bidders recently on ebay. The opening bid was a buck...there were no takers. Why?

I'll type up the Transmission Codes from this book and post it here. btw, only two 4 speed transmissions are listed 57/63.

Why your book has those other trans listings is a mystery. In the actual Transmission ID (application) Charts; Section 70, pg 944 for 1961; 1962; and 1963, The Warner T98 is listed for all three yrs, the Dagenham for 62/63.

*3 Volumes .. First two are Text: #1: 1001-7999 & #2: 8000 thru 60,000; #3: Illustrations

 

1962/64 Econolines using the Dagenham 4 Speed Transmission did indeed have 4 on the tree.

Illustration: 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog; Section 70.4 .. page 2

 

This is a mystery! I know we could take this off-line, but I believe that recording our thought processes here will bring added value for everyone.
My books are the Ford parts manuals, in 8 volumes. With diagragms. They include the OTR trucks as well, so I have to read through a lot of the material to get the right answer.

I do prefer reading, too.

If I remember the Econoline Dagenham shifter right, though, it wasn't really a column shift. It was a shift handle underneath the steering wheel, and the shift rod (single?) passed alongside it intsead of through it, down to and through the floor to the shift linkage underneath (which I never looked at closely).

Does that sound right to you?

 

1962 Econoline 170 I-6 w/4 speed Dagenham gearbox.

Steering column 4 speed shifter nearly identical to 3 speed shifter.

Shift lever to painted tube and socket (C3UZ-7209-A). Through floor. Three levers (7302, 7C312, 7315) at bottom of column. Three shift rods from levers to gearbox.

1962/63 170ci Falcons used the Dagenham also, but with a floor shift.