starting issue after sitting
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I went to pick up my truck late yesterday they, still had no anwerser He told me that He feels it is the alrernator, but he said that he is not allowed to change out parts on a hunch and he still needs it to dupoicate to issue, he say that that morring that when it wound slow It could have been from the battery test. This moring I called the manger I went over it with him, ( the guy I had been talking to told him I would be calling and what they have done to the truck. He tried to run the not driving it thing on me. I put 4000 miles on in 6 month he said that was below average, but bottom line He said to bring it back, and when I do talk to him adn we will get it worked out.
we will see.
I know ford has alternator issues my mom has a 99 150 thats had 3 in the last 4 years.
It is sad I love the truck, I love Ford, and I know all trucks have issues but they need to make it right.
we will see.
I know ford has alternator issues my mom has a 99 150 thats had 3 in the last 4 years.
It is sad I love the truck, I love Ford, and I know all trucks have issues but they need to make it right.
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This is where the dealers are screwing this company into the ground. I know they have issues with warranty work, all motor companies do, but come on. They suspect it's the alternator but won't replace it? If all else checks out, nothing can be found, then try something at least.
And here's a point of contention for you...if they claim it's not recharging because you don't drive it enough, then they are admitting that the battery isnt' recharging, right? well, if you've proven you drive it enough (which I think you do - 4000 miles in 6 months is not that far below average), then the recharging issue falls on the item responsible for recharging the battery, which is the alternator. They're putting their own feet in their mouths.
And here's a point of contention for you...if they claim it's not recharging because you don't drive it enough, then they are admitting that the battery isnt' recharging, right? well, if you've proven you drive it enough (which I think you do - 4000 miles in 6 months is not that far below average), then the recharging issue falls on the item responsible for recharging the battery, which is the alternator. They're putting their own feet in their mouths.
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Yeah...sounds like a charging problem to me....
My truck stays parked all week in my driveway....I usually drive it only on weekends and it always starts up fine even after sitting for the whole week!
I can see your truck not starting especially if you drove it for a while and it sat for the night....if the alternator is not sufficiently charging the battery then the next time you go to start the truck it will have a "low" charged battery....
Your dealer should be able to see how many amps the alternator is putting out...sometimes if the alternator goes bad it will take out the battery too....
Good luck and keep us updated!
Paul
My truck stays parked all week in my driveway....I usually drive it only on weekends and it always starts up fine even after sitting for the whole week!
I can see your truck not starting especially if you drove it for a while and it sat for the night....if the alternator is not sufficiently charging the battery then the next time you go to start the truck it will have a "low" charged battery....
Your dealer should be able to see how many amps the alternator is putting out...sometimes if the alternator goes bad it will take out the battery too....
Good luck and keep us updated!
Paul
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Im getting my truck back today. The best way I can explain it is that the alternator had a intermintent malfunction that caused a reverse draw on the battery. In layman terms its like a herd of cattle running into a pen, the gate closes but not completely. The cows start to trickle back out slowly one by one.
Hey Jonnycool, I dont see where you are located. You can have your dealership call mine for information. PM me if you want my dealer info.
Hey Jonnycool, I dont see where you are located. You can have your dealership call mine for information. PM me if you want my dealer info.
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It should be easy to see if the alternator is charging. The charge voltage should be around 14.5volts at the battery, the dealer should be able to put the max load on the system to see if the alternator is keeping up! They should be able to thoroughally check the alternator on the bench. Meaning, running continuity checks and resistance checks of the regulator, diodes, stator etc.. So there should be no doubt. I bet it was the diodes that went into a partial bridge configuration which allows back flow of battery current into the alternator with a resisitive path to ground. Almost like leaving the dome light on in you truck when you leave it parked.
Glad it finally got diagnosed, but in my opinion I think this dealer is just making up excuses, and his tech is not that good at diagnosing. It wouldn't be the first time.
You may be better off going to another dealer next time!
Glad it finally got diagnosed, but in my opinion I think this dealer is just making up excuses, and his tech is not that good at diagnosing. It wouldn't be the first time.
You may be better off going to another dealer next time!
Last edited by KevinM; Jan 25, 2007 at 01:55 PM.
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I'm having the same problem with my 04 lariat. I just picked up a new battery. I leave my lights and music on all the time, not to mention it's -22 or so most nights lately. I'll check my charging system with a voltameter I guess.
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You leave your lights and music on all the time? That's the problem, not the alternator. Particularly in those temps.
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Lariats have a time delay on the lights both on the inside, headlamps and cargo lights, for entery exit, when set to auto, also the radio has a delay for 10 minutes or intill you open a door. I am sure that is what 4DOORSR is talking about you should be able to leave the factory equiped fetures on in any temp without a problem. I think TRITON-ic has it figured out. I'm going out of town this week with my job so it will be the next week before mine goes back to the dealer, I hope thay can get it this time.
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The XLT's have the delay too, it's not a lariat-specific option. And from his post, I gathered that he leaves the Acc. on so he can listen to his lights and music for some reason. And if it is wicked cold out, and the battery is continuously drawn with lights and music AND not driven enough to recharge it, then the battery will suffer as a result.
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Originally Posted by ReForder
The XLT's have the delay too, it's not a lariat-specific option. And from his post, I gathered that he leaves the Acc. on so he can listen to his lights and music for some reason. And if it is wicked cold out, and the battery is continuously drawn with lights and music AND not driven enough to recharge it, then the battery will suffer as a result.
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well right now it is -14 degrees and about a week ago when it was plus teens i had this problem with my 05. I took it home and let it on the trickle charger for about 15hours. Since then no more problems. But leaving work today in this bitter cold she turned real slow but made it.
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Originally Posted by johnnycool
Lariats have a time delay on the lights both on the inside, headlamps and cargo lights, for entery exit, when set to auto, also the radio has a delay for 10 minutes or intill you open a door. I am sure that is what 4DOORSR is talking about you should be able to leave the factory equiped fetures on in any temp without a problem. I think TRITON-ic has it figured out. I'm going out of town this week with my job so it will be the next week before mine goes back to the dealer, I hope thay can get it this time.
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Just to recap...I do leave the acc on time to time when I'm cleaning the truck or out at the lake. Usually up to an hour. I put in a new 850CCA battery instead of the stock 650CCA and it no longer has the slow starting problem even in the -20 weather we've been getting. The stock battery is servicable so I'll fill/charge it and use it in my boat. I've never had to change a battery after only two years...It had never been used enough to drain it or prevent it from starting the truck either just for the record.