Heard about BioWilly?
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Heard about BioWilly?
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I think it's great that someone famous is on the alternate fuels bandwagon. May inspire the political will to really get it going. We need to end our reliance on OPEC.
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Do you all hide in the dark with your heads buried in the sand?
Willie Nelson has been a big promoter for Bio-Diesel for damn close to 2 years now.
He does not personally produce it. One of his band members does, but just for private use. As for comercial use, those are normal refineries & Willie just put his celebrity name on it as a promoter/supporter.
For some reason a celibrities name on a product makes it sell. Look at Nike & Mikey!!! I won't pay $20 for my wal-mart shoes let alone $100 for air jordons.///\\
Willie Nelson has been a big promoter for Bio-Diesel for damn close to 2 years now.
He does not personally produce it. One of his band members does, but just for private use. As for comercial use, those are normal refineries & Willie just put his celebrity name on it as a promoter/supporter.
For some reason a celibrities name on a product makes it sell. Look at Nike & Mikey!!! I won't pay $20 for my wal-mart shoes let alone $100 for air jordons.///\\
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Originally Posted by Bdox
May inspire the political will to really get it going. We need to end our reliance on OPEC.
Other states are also getting involved. I think Iowa, Missery, & PA have granted companies money to build refineries just for Bio-Diesel.
As for OPEC......
We really need to stop depending on FOREIGN OIL and why are the oil companies reporting massive industry profits? Profits that they haven't seen before? I'm talking millions upon millions of dollars.....
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QUOTE=parks911]The political view is there & has been there.
I'll believe that when we are burning 50% bio and see E85 available nationwide.
Minnesota has a law stating that all diesel sold must contain a certain percentage of bio diesel.
Other states are also getting involved. I think Iowa, Missery, & PA have granted companies money to build refineries just for Bio-Diesel.
As for OPEC......
We really need to stop depending on FOREIGN OIL and why are the oil companies reporting massive industry profits? Profits that they haven't seen before? I'm talking millions upon millions of dollars.....[/QUOTE]
I'll believe that when we are burning 50% bio and see E85 available nationwide.
Minnesota has a law stating that all diesel sold must contain a certain percentage of bio diesel.
Other states are also getting involved. I think Iowa, Missery, & PA have granted companies money to build refineries just for Bio-Diesel.
As for OPEC......
We really need to stop depending on FOREIGN OIL and why are the oil companies reporting massive industry profits? Profits that they haven't seen before? I'm talking millions upon millions of dollars.....[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by Bdox
I'll believe that when we are burning 50% bio and see E85 available nationwide.
E85. I thought that was being sold nationwide.
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i did a report on E85 for school last semester. as of then there were only about 400 E85 pumps available to the American public, most of them are in Minnesota. There are only 2 in the entire state of New York.
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I believe when we are burning 50% bio-diesel and running all gassers on E-85 we will have literally MILLIONS of people who won't be able to afford a bag of Doritos and a bottle of Coke (or Pepsi). Why? Because soybeans and corn are a large part of the American diet (ever heard of high fructose corn syrup?) and when the surplusses we can now produce are gone, the price for these staples will inevitably go much higher.
Now, if we ever get smart enough to make alcohol from garbage and construction debris or some other renewable bio-mass, then we may be on the right track...but for now we are just swapping a gallon of diesel used by the John Deeres and Case IHs and the 18 wheelers to haul this stuff around for a manufactured gallon of soybean oil (refined to act like diesel fuel) or ethanol. It's a politically correct "energy swap" is all it is, nothing more.
Add to all this the fact that each year we have available fewer and fewer acres to do all this great stuff on because everyone is mall crazy.
(Side note: I drove 18 wheeler for just two years, but saw plenty while doing so. City after city had block after block of lots filled with decrepit former factories, former apartment buildings, or former store buildings...or they had been cleaned up and just sat empty, save a fine crop of weeds. And almost every one of those cities had all kinds of construction going on all around the perimeter. I remember one "Big Box" distribution center literally surrounded by cornfields except for the driveway side. Good acres surrendered permanently to the retail industry while hundreds of perfectly good acres go unused and decaying. That's why so many cities are in trouble right now.)
The bio-diesel and ethanol trend right now is just a bunch of snake oil used to quiet some squeaky wheels.
Just my $.02
Now, if we ever get smart enough to make alcohol from garbage and construction debris or some other renewable bio-mass, then we may be on the right track...but for now we are just swapping a gallon of diesel used by the John Deeres and Case IHs and the 18 wheelers to haul this stuff around for a manufactured gallon of soybean oil (refined to act like diesel fuel) or ethanol. It's a politically correct "energy swap" is all it is, nothing more.
Add to all this the fact that each year we have available fewer and fewer acres to do all this great stuff on because everyone is mall crazy.
(Side note: I drove 18 wheeler for just two years, but saw plenty while doing so. City after city had block after block of lots filled with decrepit former factories, former apartment buildings, or former store buildings...or they had been cleaned up and just sat empty, save a fine crop of weeds. And almost every one of those cities had all kinds of construction going on all around the perimeter. I remember one "Big Box" distribution center literally surrounded by cornfields except for the driveway side. Good acres surrendered permanently to the retail industry while hundreds of perfectly good acres go unused and decaying. That's why so many cities are in trouble right now.)
The bio-diesel and ethanol trend right now is just a bunch of snake oil used to quiet some squeaky wheels.
Just my $.02
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Sorry but I have to raise the bs flag on that one. Converting to biofuels can be done using land that is fallow and land that is not now being used for anything.
New crops would be used. Right now, a lot of corn is being used to make ethanol but only because it is available. Ethanol can be made from dozens of other crops as well, which can be grown on land that is not now being farmed at all.
Our trade imbalance would be positively impacted. Now we are spending hundreds of billions of dollars each year more overseas than we are recieving from sales. The importance of this cannot be ovestated.
The biofuels industry could create tens of thousands of good jobs for Americans.
There would be an enormous boom in the farming industry.
All the industries that support farming would also undergo a huge increase in sales which would create more good jobs in those industries.
Also to be considered is that the OPEC countries, many of whom hate the US, and have grown vastly wealthy selling us oil could be cut off at the knees. They would have to scramble to find ways to make a living. It would essentially cut off funds that are used to support terrorism.
Most importantly, if we could get to the point where we were burning fifty percent biofuels, the price of oil would be cut in half. This is why there is so much propaganda spread against the biofuels industry. There are powerful interests who would stand to loose a lot if we were to follow through in developing our own renewable fuel sources.
There are millions of products that require petro-oil to produce. Why burn up a non-renewable resource?
And, there would also be a positive effect on air quality.
New crops would be used. Right now, a lot of corn is being used to make ethanol but only because it is available. Ethanol can be made from dozens of other crops as well, which can be grown on land that is not now being farmed at all.
Our trade imbalance would be positively impacted. Now we are spending hundreds of billions of dollars each year more overseas than we are recieving from sales. The importance of this cannot be ovestated.
The biofuels industry could create tens of thousands of good jobs for Americans.
There would be an enormous boom in the farming industry.
All the industries that support farming would also undergo a huge increase in sales which would create more good jobs in those industries.
Also to be considered is that the OPEC countries, many of whom hate the US, and have grown vastly wealthy selling us oil could be cut off at the knees. They would have to scramble to find ways to make a living. It would essentially cut off funds that are used to support terrorism.
Most importantly, if we could get to the point where we were burning fifty percent biofuels, the price of oil would be cut in half. This is why there is so much propaganda spread against the biofuels industry. There are powerful interests who would stand to loose a lot if we were to follow through in developing our own renewable fuel sources.
There are millions of products that require petro-oil to produce. Why burn up a non-renewable resource?
And, there would also be a positive effect on air quality.
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Originally Posted by Bdox
Sorry but I have to raise the bs flag on that one.(Raise any flag you want, but I won't be saluting it.) Converting to biofuels can be done using land that is fallow (where is all this fallow land, under a Wal-Mart distribution center?) and land that is not now being used for anything.
New crops would be (must) used. Right now, a lot of corn is being used to make ethanol but only because it is available (surplus, lowering the market price). Ethanol can be made from dozens of other crops as well, which can be grown on land that is not now being farmed at all (not efficiently, that's why it isn't being farmed now. Tell me where all this unused land is, I wanna buy some).
Our trade imbalance would be positively impacted. Now we are spending hundreds of billions of dollars each year more overseas than we are recieving from sales (yes, in large part at the 5,000+ factories in China supplying throw-away consumer goods sold at (cheez, not again) Wal-Mart). The importance of this cannot be ovestated. (Our trade imbalance would also be positively impacted if we sucked our OWN oil out of the ground here in the U.S.)
The biofuels industry could create tens of thousands of good jobs for Americans. (Just like the shoe, textile, auto parts, steel,whoa, how'd we get on this soapbox?)
There would be an enormous boom in the farming industry. (But the crops aren't even developed yet commercially that will have a chance of replacing real oil volume. Ethanol, right now, is little more than an energy swap, consuming, some say, more energy than it provides. Soybeans may be a little better, but remember, a lot of the input energy gets used as cattle feed, not fuel.)
All the industries that support farming would also undergo a huge increase in sales which would create more good jobs in those industries.
Also to be considered is that the OPEC countries, many of whom hate the US, and have grown vastly wealthy selling us oil could be cut off at the knees. They would have to scramble to find ways to make a living. It would essentially cut off funds that are used to support terrorism. (No, it would just leave more oil for France, Germany, Japan, China ....Arab surplus?.... aforementioned countries get their oil even cheaper while the U.S. competes in the "Global" marketplace powered by what...More expensive homemade bio-diesel. What a fantastic deal for us, huh?)
Most importantly, if we could get to the point where we were burning fifty percent biofuels, the price of oil would be cut in half (now, exactly how would THAT happen? Do you somehow think the U.S. is the only country that pays hard currency for oil?). This is why there is so much propaganda spread against the biofuels industry. There are powerful interests who would stand to loose a lot if we were to follow through in developing our own renewable fuel sources.
There are millions of products that require petro-oil to produce. Why burn up a non-renewable resource? (I know this will be lost on you, but who ever told you oil is NON-renewable? New evidence shows that, at least in some places, oil does in fact regenerate.)
And, there would also be a positive effect on air quality.
New crops would be (must) used. Right now, a lot of corn is being used to make ethanol but only because it is available (surplus, lowering the market price). Ethanol can be made from dozens of other crops as well, which can be grown on land that is not now being farmed at all (not efficiently, that's why it isn't being farmed now. Tell me where all this unused land is, I wanna buy some).
Our trade imbalance would be positively impacted. Now we are spending hundreds of billions of dollars each year more overseas than we are recieving from sales (yes, in large part at the 5,000+ factories in China supplying throw-away consumer goods sold at (cheez, not again) Wal-Mart). The importance of this cannot be ovestated. (Our trade imbalance would also be positively impacted if we sucked our OWN oil out of the ground here in the U.S.)
The biofuels industry could create tens of thousands of good jobs for Americans. (Just like the shoe, textile, auto parts, steel,whoa, how'd we get on this soapbox?)
There would be an enormous boom in the farming industry. (But the crops aren't even developed yet commercially that will have a chance of replacing real oil volume. Ethanol, right now, is little more than an energy swap, consuming, some say, more energy than it provides. Soybeans may be a little better, but remember, a lot of the input energy gets used as cattle feed, not fuel.)
All the industries that support farming would also undergo a huge increase in sales which would create more good jobs in those industries.
Also to be considered is that the OPEC countries, many of whom hate the US, and have grown vastly wealthy selling us oil could be cut off at the knees. They would have to scramble to find ways to make a living. It would essentially cut off funds that are used to support terrorism. (No, it would just leave more oil for France, Germany, Japan, China ....Arab surplus?.... aforementioned countries get their oil even cheaper while the U.S. competes in the "Global" marketplace powered by what...More expensive homemade bio-diesel. What a fantastic deal for us, huh?)
Most importantly, if we could get to the point where we were burning fifty percent biofuels, the price of oil would be cut in half (now, exactly how would THAT happen? Do you somehow think the U.S. is the only country that pays hard currency for oil?). This is why there is so much propaganda spread against the biofuels industry. There are powerful interests who would stand to loose a lot if we were to follow through in developing our own renewable fuel sources.
There are millions of products that require petro-oil to produce. Why burn up a non-renewable resource? (I know this will be lost on you, but who ever told you oil is NON-renewable? New evidence shows that, at least in some places, oil does in fact regenerate.)
And, there would also be a positive effect on air quality.
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Originally Posted by eigenvector
There's 2 in washington state. I'm pretty sure all the refineries along the Puget Sound coastline have something to do with the slow acceptance of Ethanol as a fuel.
Can't blame 'em, I do the same myself, that's why I chose the V-10 gasoline engine rather than the diesel (and that was before I knew anything about the problems with the PSD). I steered away from diesel SOLELY because diesel is more costly, the ultra-low sulphur diesel (crammed down our necks by EPA) is not a proven entity, will be even more costly, and is suspect in numerous diesel complaints so far. It's brand new and wasn't all that well proven before going on the market. I just figured I'd stay with something I know something about.