GM thought the same thing and ruined the diesel market to this day.

 

But that doesn't mean FORD will fail as well.

 

1. That was GM.
2. No, GM took the easy out and converted a gas motor. They did not design their own diesel.
3. Look at the other wonderful motors made back then. It was a bad era for everything.

Just because GM managed to make a glorious POS diesel which was a converted gas motor, does NOT mean Ford has to repeat their mistake.

Think how it would look if Ford could make a successful powerful diesel without problems, themselves, and everyone else had to buy diesels. I'm thinking an inline 6 for the F250 and up, inline 5 for the F150, and inline 4 for the Ranger and other vehicles. All built on the same basic design.

 

Just because GM managed to make a glorious POS diesel which was a converted gas motor

The IDI diesel engines installed in the pre 94 1/2 F-Sereis were based on a gas motor too...

 

A CAT engine would DEFINATELY pique my interest, but from what I've heard, Ford already approached CAT, and CAT said that they didn't have the production capacity to produce enough engines to fill Fords needs.

Gunner15a

 

I thought they bought that from IH? You're telling me it is a converted IH gas motor?

 

Yes they did buy it from IH - but the original 6.9 (from which the 7.3l IDI came from too) was based originally on the industrial IH 446 V8 gas engine...

 

Wasn't Detroit Diesel owned by GM? DCX owns it now.

GM built Diesel locomotives and diesels for ships. In fact, that Ford Super Chief concept truck is named for a locomotive. The original Super Chief was a Santa Fe RR loco.....styled by Harley Earl, and built by...GM.

After emerging from bankrupcy, IHC was renamed Navistar...but I still prefer "Cornbinder."

 

I've always heard truckers say how crappy Detroits are. I think I've heard from only one or two guys that they like Detroit engines. Anybody else hear similar?

 

The old V series detriots were known for being oil leakers, or calibrated road oilers. The series 60 Detroits are a lot better, I have had a couple of them and they were definataly good pulling engines, my 470hp rated series 60 ddec III was putting 452hp to the ground after only 7000 miles it wasn't even broke in yet, and it just got stronger as I put miles on it but never had it back on a dyno to see how much stronger. I used to pull 5% grades loaded at 79K lbs at over 60mph if that gives you an idea.

 

Larger CGI diesels for the superduties based on the land rover ones that are going into the expedition/f150s in the near future.

I'm going to keep saying it until someone from Ford listens to me.

 

Ha, sounds pretty good to me!

 

I had a 200 series Dynahoe from the early 70's that had a Detroit deisel in it. That thing was awesome! 18 ton machine. Had a LOT of hours on it. Just kept going and going. Had two guys fighting over it when I sold it. I'm sure it's still pushing dirt somewhere.

 

or they could jsut go back to the poserstroke 7.3L just beef it up a little more to compete and find a way for all that emissions bull***** to work out

 

I got into this discussion with a service manager at one of the larger stealerships. He agreed with alot of info that has already been brought up. The base engine is Navistars design, but ford spec'd out the fuel system and other requirements. Navistar was told make it work, despite their advice to ford on how to make their engine work in Ford's product. I have also read that the Ford techs are being pressed by corporate to get the warranty repairs done as quickly as possible. They are not taking the time to properly diagnose the problem, just replacing whatever is bad, shotgunning is the term I've heard. I have heard stories of engines that have eaten 3 turbos in 5,000 miles. What are the odds of getting 2 bad replacement turbos in a row? Not very likely in my opinion. I think part of the 500 million dollar problem is the fact that the techs dont know what they are doing, and passing the buck onto IH.

Another problem is the tuners. People are cranking up these motors and using/abusing the crap out of them. If something gets hurt, they reset to factory, uninstall it, bring it in and blame it on a crappy design.. "Oh, we were just driving to church on the freeway doing 60MPH when it started making this horrible noise...." On one side of the coin, I would expect the motor to be able to handle some tweaking, but when you double the rated output, how long do you expect a V8 diesel to last?

Some hardcore diesel guys will tell you that the only good diesel is an inline one. They seem to have a greater service life, and have a higher duty rating (the GM and IH diesels are light heavy duty engines, with a 200K service life. The cummins is a medium heavy duty, with a 250-300K service life. These numbers are fleet use numbers, I dont know exactly how they relate to "normal" everyday use. Yes I know that you know somebody who has one of these motors and has gotten 500K out of one of them, I am not here to debate that.