71 torino 351
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71 torino 351
ok, so here's the deal. i came across this 71 torino gt. the body is in beautiful shape with almost no rust. the frame is sturdy, and the headlights/tail lights and everything are there. Also, the suspension, rear end, and brake system are all intact. What isnt there, is the engine and tranny. What I want to know, is which blocks will drop in w/o modifying the current mounts. It had a 351 before the guy pulled it out. Did these come with the cleveland's or windsor's? Does it even matter when it comes to the engine mounts? I know the difference b/t a 351c and 351w, but right now I'm just lookin to drop an engine in her and get it going. I'll worry about the performance details later.
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It probably came with a 351C-4V. You can put any small block in it's place. There were some produced with 429's as well. You should try to keep it original, if it is in good condition. Get the VIN #, that will tell you which engine it had originally. In all original condition, it is worth $$.
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Go here, http://grantorinosport.org/ I'm best friends with the guy, he doesn't know the end-all of Torinos, but he has a wealth of contacts about them.
Send him an e-mail and he'll get back to you, word of caution, he's on deployment until May so he may not get right back to you.
Send him an e-mail and he'll get back to you, word of caution, he's on deployment until May so he may not get right back to you.
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If it's in great shape, keep it all original as possible, as danlee posted.
I'm guessing the differences in mounting different engines was the engine mounting brackets and related engine mounts.
But I'm just guessing.
Hope it turns out good for you.
I'm guessing the differences in mounting different engines was the engine mounting brackets and related engine mounts.
But I'm just guessing.
Hope it turns out good for you.
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a buddy of mine just picked up a '73 torino. hasn't been on the road since 1990. the car is solid except for the passenger side rear fender. he's got a 302 in it with an automatic tranny, don't know which one.
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im gonna try to stay near original. although its an auto and i was thinking about converting to a manual. ive always heard cleveland's were more powerful than the windsors, anyone know the truth to it?
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You can probably get more power out of a Cleveland.
If they are more powerful than a Windsor, it's probably not much.
I think it's physically a bigger engine than the Windsor.
If they are more powerful than a Windsor, it's probably not much.
I think it's physically a bigger engine than the Windsor.
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The original 1970-72 Torino GT came with a 351C 4V...with 4 bolt mains.
The same engine was used in Panteras, and is a toughy to find...don't get rid of it!!
The 351W and 351C are two completly different engines sharing little in the way of parts.
The same engine was used in Panteras, and is a toughy to find...don't get rid of it!!
The 351W and 351C are two completly different engines sharing little in the way of parts.
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Total junk, please let me know where I can haul it away for you.....I won't charge you too much...... 
While it may have come with a Cleveland, ANY 302, 351 W or C will bolt right in....they all use the same mounts and have the same bellhousing pattern.
The 4V's come in two different heads; open and closed chamber. Both with HUGE ports!!
There's also an Austrailian 2V head that is more suited to a pump gas build; smaller ports but with closed chambers.
The pro on Clevelands is a sponsor here at FTE.
TMI knows all the ins and outs of the C build.
A Windsor actually can make a great amount of power and cheaper due to a great aftermarket.....
You can't lose either way.....
While it may have come with a Cleveland, ANY 302, 351 W or C will bolt right in....they all use the same mounts and have the same bellhousing pattern.
The 4V's come in two different heads; open and closed chamber. Both with HUGE ports!!
There's also an Austrailian 2V head that is more suited to a pump gas build; smaller ports but with closed chambers.
The pro on Clevelands is a sponsor here at FTE.
TMI knows all the ins and outs of the C build.
A Windsor actually can make a great amount of power and cheaper due to a great aftermarket.....
You can't lose either way.....
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VIN and door tag info might tell what was in it. Also, look for under hood stickers about vacuum lines, fuel lines, timing etc which might give a clue.
I'm not sure this is a car that is going to grow into a real top dollar collector, but even mildly interesting cars seem to be going up up up. So I wouldn't tub it or cut in down into a flatbed.
But since the motor is gone, I'd go 351W with an AOD. Lots of goodies available for both. Even a 302 with an AOD would be OK, as you could regear to suit the powerband you end up with. (you have a 9" diff, "the poor man's quick change", and you can buy several carriers so you can gear for 1/8th mile drags, Bonneville, etc)
You can build a 351w into about 400 nice streetable horse without too much trouble. Or you can get a Dart block and have yourself a 400+ cube 500 horse job.
LIke this, see:
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...tKeyField=9280
I'm not sure this is a car that is going to grow into a real top dollar collector, but even mildly interesting cars seem to be going up up up. So I wouldn't tub it or cut in down into a flatbed.
But since the motor is gone, I'd go 351W with an AOD. Lots of goodies available for both. Even a 302 with an AOD would be OK, as you could regear to suit the powerband you end up with. (you have a 9" diff, "the poor man's quick change", and you can buy several carriers so you can gear for 1/8th mile drags, Bonneville, etc)
You can build a 351w into about 400 nice streetable horse without too much trouble. Or you can get a Dart block and have yourself a 400+ cube 500 horse job.
LIke this, see:
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...tKeyField=9280
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Find the VIN #, and find out what motor it came with. If you replace it with the matching motor, it will be worth a lot more money. Especially if it was a 351C-4V or a 429. The '71 351C-4V had the closed chamber heads and high compression. They can be made to run on today's unleaded fuel with the right parts. They will deliver great power, you will need a lot of aftermarket parts to get that much power from a Wheezer(Windsor).
Post the VIN # here and someone will decode it for you.
Post the VIN # here and someone will decode it for you.
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Ive seen torino gt's with both, the 351 cleveland and windsor. I started to buy a 70 torino gt in 78 that a 351 windsor. Now that thier building the boss 302 again in a create motor, it sure would be tempting, cause I'm pretty sure some tornio gt's even had the 302. First step would be to find out what the orginal motor was, then go from there.
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Wendell, back in the early 70's I saw many a Torino GT, and every one had the 4 bolt main 351C. Maybe it was a CA thing??
Hey, DOHC, I didn't say I was a fan of the 351C, I only mentioned the rarity of this particular 351C, which has 4 bolt mains. As you know, I was there when the engines were new, so I know full well about the "liquid metal in a can" Ford came out with to 'solve' the sand casting problems.
I even dug up the part number: C6AZ-19554-A Sealer, Metallic Plastic (used to repair timing covers, intake manifolds, and sand casting holes)!!
Hey, DOHC, I didn't say I was a fan of the 351C, I only mentioned the rarity of this particular 351C, which has 4 bolt mains. As you know, I was there when the engines were new, so I know full well about the "liquid metal in a can" Ford came out with to 'solve' the sand casting problems.
I even dug up the part number: C6AZ-19554-A Sealer, Metallic Plastic (used to repair timing covers, intake manifolds, and sand casting holes)!!
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