Is this the right engine?
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Is this the right engine?
I have a 1950 Ford F2... the previous owner said the engine was original but I have doubts that it is. It's a 7HA 223 straight 6 flathead. Is that the correct engine? are complete overhaul kits available? Is it worth the effort to rebuild? The body is in great shape with little rust. a beautiful truck body
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Is this the right engine?
If your vin is something like with 97HD 123456 (I think the F2 designation was "D") you have the correct engine for that year. There was an "M" series 6 cylinder, but that went in the larger trucks I believe. If your vin is like 98RD 123456, it would have had the 239 V8.
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[font size="1" color="#FF0000"]LAST EDITED ON 22-Oct-01 AT 11:29 PM (EST)[/font][p]The F2 was available with either an H-series 226 ci, 6 cylinder flathead or the 239 ci flathead V8. Rebuild kits are available for the 226.
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Is this the right engine?
The 7HA is a 226. If it was a 223, it would be an EBP with overhead valves. My '49 F-1 has an "M" series 254 flathead six (8MTH) which probably came from an F-6. It is quite similar to the 226 with many of the same parts and a few more horses. My manifold is from a 226 and carb is from a 223. Tracking down the parts and trying to figure out what has been done over the last 52 years is great fun. I have a FoMoCo '48-54 Chassis Parts and Accessories Catalog (Copyright 1954) that is a treasury of information if you can find one.
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Check out my son's website. He has several pictures of his 226 flathead that you can compare your engine to.
http://brandons_51_f2.home.att.net/page7.htm
http://brandons_51_f2.home.att.net/page7.htm
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According to my book....you have an F-4. The first digit, "9", indicates it is a 1949, but this series continued into 1950 and according to one thing I read, into 1951. The 7H indicates a straight six, the "T" indicates it is a 1 ton, which would have been an F-4. In the casting across the top of the head should be 7HA-6050-C1 (or C2) which is the part number for the '48-'50 226 head. Or perhaps it's 0HA-6050 which would be a '50-'51 226. All these trucks with sixes through F-5 came with a 226 until '54. Another confirmation of the model is all F-2's had a 122" wheel base, while F-4's were 134". Also, since all the cabs were basically the same, you may have a mix and match truck. What an adventure...
Good luck,
Johann
Good luck,
Johann
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hi,
other things to consider:
1. the vin number which is stamped on the plate on the inside of the glove box door should match the one stamped on the left frame rail near the steering box,(some have been found on the right side too). if they do not match, then "dr. frankenstein" had a go at your truck-which is not uncommon for trucks of this vintage. so is being mistitled too as in the case of my 49 F2. Y is for 3/4 ton(F2), T for 1 ton(F3)-although some might dispute this designation for F2/F3.someone help me here!
2. 7HA-6050 stamped on the cylinder head could be your clue. but also note that it is interchangeable with 1HA-6050 and 0HA-6050, but it is definitely a 226 L head, H-series engine. the 223's i think only came about in 53 or 54 and was an OHV,thus a different head.
3.this one might seem trivial, but if the engine components is complete, does the oil bath air cleaner have a support brace? (part # 7HT-9663-brace to cleaner and cylinder head) only the 48-51 226's have this and the later 53 254 6 cylinder L heads.
hope this helps a bit.
louie
other things to consider:
1. the vin number which is stamped on the plate on the inside of the glove box door should match the one stamped on the left frame rail near the steering box,(some have been found on the right side too). if they do not match, then "dr. frankenstein" had a go at your truck-which is not uncommon for trucks of this vintage. so is being mistitled too as in the case of my 49 F2. Y is for 3/4 ton(F2), T for 1 ton(F3)-although some might dispute this designation for F2/F3.someone help me here!
2. 7HA-6050 stamped on the cylinder head could be your clue. but also note that it is interchangeable with 1HA-6050 and 0HA-6050, but it is definitely a 226 L head, H-series engine. the 223's i think only came about in 53 or 54 and was an OHV,thus a different head.
3.this one might seem trivial, but if the engine components is complete, does the oil bath air cleaner have a support brace? (part # 7HT-9663-brace to cleaner and cylinder head) only the 48-51 226's have this and the later 53 254 6 cylinder L heads.
hope this helps a bit.
louie
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The part number on the head may not correctly identify the year of the engine. My '51 6-cyl. has a 7HA head in its original engine. (See pictures at [link:home.rconnect.com/~51fordf2|my site.]) It was probably what was in stock in St. Paul.
Yes, it also has the cross brace on the air cleaner. BTW, I've converted my air cleaner to use a paper element and have detailed the conversion on the site.
Tony
F2H1SP24002 (Built Nov. 5, 1951)
Yes, it also has the cross brace on the air cleaner. BTW, I've converted my air cleaner to use a paper element and have detailed the conversion on the site.
Tony
F2H1SP24002 (Built Nov. 5, 1951)
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Louie, according to my book the F2 and F3 are both 3/4 ton and the F4 is 1 ton. The F2 is standard duty and the F3 is heavy duty. (Ford F-Series Pickup Trucks 1948-1956, Don Bunn)
Tony, Happy 50th coming up for your F-2. It's 15 days older than me.
Johann
Tony, Happy 50th coming up for your F-2. It's 15 days older than me.
Johann
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I have yet to figure out what a half-ton, 3/4-ton, 1-ton truck truly means. My 52 F-4 has a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)of 10,000 lbs with a possible payload of 5980 pounds. Of course the F-4 came in two flavors: a single rear wheel (SRW) version with 20 inch wheels and a 7,500 GVWR and a possible payload of 3638 pounds and like mine a dual rear wheel (DRW) version with dual 18 inch wheels in back.
Both types of F-4s, as well as the F-5 and F-6 (both use DRW 20 inch wheels) have a very special and unique wheel with 5 lugs on an 8 inch bolt circle wheel studs, that are next to impossible to find replacements for. The F-4 only came in one wheel base, which was 134 inches. You could get it (at least in 52) with a 215 cu in 6 cyl or 239 cu in flathead V8.
I know I'm confused about 1/2, 3/4, etc. I hope you're not!!! I always go by GVWR to figure out what kind of truck I have.
Fran
Both types of F-4s, as well as the F-5 and F-6 (both use DRW 20 inch wheels) have a very special and unique wheel with 5 lugs on an 8 inch bolt circle wheel studs, that are next to impossible to find replacements for. The F-4 only came in one wheel base, which was 134 inches. You could get it (at least in 52) with a 215 cu in 6 cyl or 239 cu in flathead V8.
I know I'm confused about 1/2, 3/4, etc. I hope you're not!!! I always go by GVWR to figure out what kind of truck I have.
Fran
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Right from my 1948-55 Ford Light Truck Manual, Series 1-6 and 100-600.
The F2 and F3 were available only in 122" WB. The F-4 was 134". F2 GVW is 5700 and the F3 is 6800, there may be a plate somewhere that lists the GVW.
The manual lists the F2 symbol as D, the F3 is Y and the F4 is TL. I have no idea if that carries over to the VIN.
Just to add to the confusion, there was also a J code for the F3 Parcel delivery which came in 104 and 122" WB and a GWV of 7800.
The F2 and F3 were available only in 122" WB. The F-4 was 134". F2 GVW is 5700 and the F3 is 6800, there may be a plate somewhere that lists the GVW.
The manual lists the F2 symbol as D, the F3 is Y and the F4 is TL. I have no idea if that carries over to the VIN.
Just to add to the confusion, there was also a J code for the F3 Parcel delivery which came in 104 and 122" WB and a GWV of 7800.
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Originally Posted by johann5
The 7HA is a 226. If it was a 223, it would be an EBP with overhead valves. My '49 F-1 has an "M" series 254 flathead six (8MTH) which probably came from an F-6. It is quite similar to the 226 with many of the same parts and a few more horses. My manifold is from a 226 and carb is from a 223. Tracking down the parts and trying to figure out what has been done over the last 52 years is great fun. I have a FoMoCo '48-54 Chassis Parts and Accessories Catalog (Copyright 1954) that is a treasury of information if you can find one.
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Originally Posted by TRUCKDOG
the VIN number on the truck is 97HT259035.... the id plate on the motor says 7HA 223..... are you saying it's possible that it is actually a 226?
We are presently collecting data on the VIN's for the 1948/49/50 trucks. Ford simply continued with the numbering sequence betwenn 1949 and 1950. One thing we are trying to do is nail down the cut-off point for 1949 and the star-up point for 1950. You truck VIIN falls right in the grey area.
Are you certain that you have a 1950 and not a 1949. Are you saure the cab you have is original to the truck. Locating a Vin # on the fram rail in the enigne compartment would verify this. Again, your Vin # is right in the middle of the grey area and I would love to get confirmation that this is a 1950 with this VIn #.
Also, do you have a stamped number on the firewall just above the horizontal seam like this:
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
BTW - where are you located??
Carl