<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=smalltxt vAlign=top>Gents, I am playing with a 54 Mercury, 256 ci and a Mercomatic. The 256 is a chronic smoker and is to be replaced. I just bought a 292 ci that is missing the following: intake/carb, exhaust manifolds, water pump and distributor. The block casting is C2AE (62' to 64"?). The head casting is ECZ-C (56"?).

Now the questions:

Will my 256 parts fit the 292 (except distributor)?

What would be the best distributor to use with this combo (256 carb is a Tpot)?

Suggestions for an eventual Intake and Carb replacement?

How do I determine what ECZ-C heads I have (compression ratio/HP)?

The engine was a non smoking, good runner but has been sitting for a year. Since it’s out, is there any weak link or "might as well replace it" parts that I should consider?

Sorry for the diatribe, but I’d like to do it right and I’m new to Y blocks.

Thanks, John

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First off, bookmark this URL www.ford-y-block.com.

There was a book out about y-blocks, but it's only fair in quality.

The ECZ-C heads are good ones. I think the oil pan and front cover will bolt right up. If you have a 4bbl intake, I think that certain old Rochester and/or Carter carbs will bolt on in place of the Holley teapot. I've got at least one of those but I don't remember off the top of my head which it is but it's likely a Carter. The exhaust manifolds will bolt on, but inspect the size of the port to make sure they're a decent match.

While the engine is out, you might want to change the rear main seal. The original is rope and when it dries out, it leaks. There are new neoprene seals to replace the original rope seal.

You can still buy new distributors from AutoZone. Do that. Your water pump should bolt on.

Good luck.

 

Pauls advise is right on , as far as carbs go the carter is a WCFB
short for white cast four barrel. This is a very good carb and adapts easily.
Your other choice is a Rochester 4JET this also is a good carb. Much better
than the flaming teapot of DEATH!!
Have a Good Day---------Hotwrench

 

Thanks guys...lol on the "flaming teapot of death". It was rebuilt recently and runs decent on the 256, but I have heard them referred to as blow torches. The hood has the distinctive circular mark of a carb fire.

Thanks again, John

 

the water pump doesnt fit and the 54 intake is a very poor match.

 

You will need an adaptor plate for the intake if you're going to put a carter or rottenchester on. The teapot carb as a smaller bolt pattern

 

57 or newer intake will take late model carbs wont it?

 

Ya know, the signal-to-noise level on this board didn't used to be so bad.

Just so we know, I own ECZ-A and ECZ-B intakes, Holley 1848 and 1849 ECZ-type carbs, and Rochester 4GC and a Carter WCFB carbs. Ford sold the ECZ-A intake with a Carter 4bbl carb. Short answer, you can remove the Holley teapot and replace it with a carb without resorting to an adapter.

The water pump fits into the front cover, so I'm not sure why it would stop fitting the front cover just because you transfer the front cover to another engine.

The ECZ-C heads were not original to C1AE/C2AE engines. Those heads come from the mid 50's 292/312. They're good heads with smaller ports than post-56 heads. The OP's intake will fit up nicely to the ECZ-C heads.

 

Not just the teapot!! A Motorcraft 2150 on a 1978 LTD will also catch fire if the float sticks and raw fuel dumps out while your cranking it! I speak from experience!

 

Gee, I never heard that WCFB meant white cast four barrel. I always heard it was just WC series four barrel. There was a WCD for WC series dual or 2 barrel. The 4 barrel carbs only have 3 different bolt patterns, early small, fits everybody's base, Holley, Carter and Rochester, late narrow, fits Carter and Rochester (the Qjet and TQ share the pattern with them, just different throttle bores), and the late wide, fits Ford and Holley, Carter made AFBs in this pattern and dual pattern (The Motorcraft 4300D is this pattern with a totally differnt from the world bore pattern). Even the European 4 barrels by Solex share the Qjet base.

 

Ford trucks with Y blocks use the same timing cover thru 1964. While there may be differences between passenger/truck covers, the bolt pattern will be identical t/c to t/c...as the gasket is the same. A '54 Merc cover will work on a '62 block.

The timing cover p/n has been updated to a '60's number, but that won't affect how it mounts.

 

I have a '54 TRUCK timing cover, it has the '54 ONLY water pump and fuel pump. These pumps will not fit any other y block timing covers. Tom

 

Per Carter themselves....WCFB stands for Will Carter Four Barrel. Will Carter was the founder of the company, though he lost control within a few years. The WCFB was introduced in '52 & was named after him as a nod to the company's roots.

AFB- aluminum four barrel
AVS- air valve secondary (as opposed to the counterweighted secondaries on the AFB); the AVS is similar to a Q-jet in operation
BBS- Ball & Ball single barrel (Ball & Ball were the original designers; Carter purchased the design)
BBD- Ball & Ball dual barrel
TQ- ThermoQuad; has a phenolic main body that insulates the fuel

More than you ever wanted or need to know about Carter carburetors...

 

I agree that some 4G and WCFB carbs share the same bolt pattern as Teapots. Matter of fact, people used to swap out Teapots for WCFBs in the old days.

It is also true that 54 had a different water pump/timing cover than 55 and later, and that you cannot swap 54 water pumps on 55 and up timing covers, and vice versa. the question said that the block was missing the water pump, not the timing cover, and the 54 water pump the poster has will not fit his 62 timing cover. The poster can use the 54 timing cover and water pump on his 292, but I think that just buying the newer water pump is a better bet.

Back in the mid 70s, I went to a car show at McCormack Place and the new Mercedes had one of those Solex 4v carbs. The reason they would share the same base is because that Solex was a very close knock-off of the QJet -- much too close of a copy to be accidental. I recall the stuffy Mercedes salesman manning the display sticking his nose up when I made my loud comment that wasn't too complimentary to his product, but he was not so foolish as to take the bait.

It cannot be a high point of German engineering when they copy one of the poorest 4v carbs America made, but perhaps they at least made them work better by making them better than Rochester. Maybe the metering rod piston was made to work right, just like in a Carter.

Finally, I agree with your lament, PC.

 

I picked up a rebuilt waterpump for the 292 timing cover...it was relatively inexpensive. My 54 intake will be reused on the 292 till I find an alternative. I lined up the C heads, new gaskets and the 54 intake and scribed some marks...it'll seal but theres not much room for error. It appears that ford, as they made the intake ports progressively larger, decided to extend just one side of the port, rather tan take equal amounts from both sides. I'm sure they had their reasons...but it makes useing the smaller port intakes a bit hairy. Mike I'm gonna take your advise and plug the vacuum on the Tpot and run that too for awhile.