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Old Nov 17, 2006 | 10:36 PM
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Wow, I do 3000mi intervals. I think I will go 5000 for a change.

For those who have posted on this subject-- I assume your talking about mileage on regular oil, (not synthetic)? unless speciified? I run rotella 15w 40 dino.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2006 | 11:01 AM
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I run 4500 miles between changes, also using Blackstone testing. results have always been great.

I am considering running Rotella Synthetic on next change due to cold weather starts in Ohio. Is it safe to switch between regular oil and synthetic with 150k on the motor? I have heard that once you go synthetic, you should not switch back, and I would like to use regular Rotella throughout the rest of the year? Does switching cause problems? What do you all think/know? Thanks!
 
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Old Nov 18, 2006 | 12:09 PM
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The company i work for has 4 powerstrokes, 99 - 02, they get changed around 7k. two of them are over 200k miles, the rest are in the 130-180k range, mine included. We run castrol 15w 40.

Correction: I forgot 2 other trucks, but the one doesnt count, its got a 6.0 and i stay far away from that truck.
 

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Old Nov 18, 2006 | 12:47 PM
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I change my oil every 3K due to short drives. Have not had any problems and I would rather protect my engine than to save a few $. If you are going to put a hole in the filter to drain it, make sure you can get it off first.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2006 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by yellow401
I run 4500 miles between changes, also using Blackstone testing. results have always been great.

I am considering running Rotella Synthetic on next change due to cold weather starts in Ohio. Is it safe to switch between regular oil and synthetic with 150k on the motor? I have heard that once you go synthetic, you should not switch back, and I would like to use regular Rotella throughout the rest of the year? Does switching cause problems? What do you all think/know? Thanks!
you will be alright switchng back and forth. my truck had over 200k when i started using synthetic in the winter. i use regular 15-40 in the summer. the syn does help on starting especially when it gets below zero. i did notice a few more oil spots in the driveway. i dont know if it is because of the cold temperatures and the seals being hard or the oil because it is thinner, but you should be safe
 
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Old Nov 18, 2006 | 06:40 PM
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I change all of my companys psd's & idi's at 5,000 we are in the grading business. Our trucks get put though Hell. I use phillips 66 superHD 2 with Carquest(Wix) filters. But I use high effiency fiber glass media filters that get that micron count down to 10. got a 96 psd with 300,000
 
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Old Nov 18, 2006 | 07:20 PM
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I change my oil every 3K due to short drives. Have not had any problems and I would rather protect my engine than to save a few $.
Every time I hear something like this, it makes me think of this, that somebody first posted here years ago:


The 3,000-mile or 3-month oil change has long been the standard in the United States, and has served Americans well. Over the last decade, however, there has been a gradual shift away from this traditional oil change interval. But maintaining a 3,000-mile or 3-month schedule is cheap insurance and many motorists would do well to retain it. Let's answer some questions about this robust maintenance regimen.

Q: How often should I change my oil?

A: Every three months or 3,000 miles, whichever comes first. It's cheap insurance.

Q: Do you actually know anybody who drives less than 3,000 miles in three months?

A: One guy. He drives about 200 miles a month, and takes the public transit system the rest of the time.

Q: So this guy should change his oil, even though it only has 600 miles on it?

A: You never know what could have happened to the oil while it was just sitting there. It's cheap insurance.

Q: At 200 miles a month, wouldn't it be cheaper to just rent a car?

A: We're getting off topic here.

Q: My owner's manual doesn't say anything about 3,000-mile oil changes. It says to go longer than that.

A: Car manufacturers are in the business of selling cars, and they believe if they can make your engine wear out prematurely, you'll go back to them for another car. The 3,000-mile interval is cheap insurance against this.

Q: Well, the car has an oil life monitor that tells me when to change the oil. Can't I go by that?

A: How can the car possibly know what's going on in the oil? They make those things go too long for the same reason they print inflated numbers in the owner's manual.

Q: Actually, I think they use a complex mathematical model tailored to the specific engine and oil type, which uses input from the variables measured by the engine computer such as RPM and operating temperature.

A: And you TRUST them?

Q: But if the engine fails prematurely, doesn't the manufacturer eat the cost of repairs during the warranty period?

A: Oh but it won't fail until the car is outside the warranty period.

Q: So how is that a premature failure?

A: It won't be TOO far outside the warranty period, you can be sure of that.

Q: Okay, so car manufacturers carefully craft their oil recommendations specifically so that the engine fails after the warranty period so they don't have to pay for it, but not too far after the warranty period so consumers will come back to them for another car, instead of buying from a competitor that doesn't yank them around like this?

A: They ALL do it. And the 3,000-mile interval is cheap insurance against it.

Q: You're saying that if your engine blows up with 60,000 miles on it, you'll go back to the same manufacturer for another car?

A: My engine will never blow up, because I'm using a 3,000-mile interval.

Q: Can I switch to synthetic oil?

A: Sure. Synthetics offer many technological advances, including superior viscosity stability, better extreme-temperature performance, higher levels of acid neutralization ability, more shear strength, improved film cling, and of course slight improvements in fuel economy and horsepower in some engines. Great stuff, synthetics.

Q: So how often should I change the synthetic oil?

A: Every three months or 3,000 miles. Even with synthetics, it's cheap insurance.

Q: Um, the stuff costs two to three times what conventional oil costs. That's cheap insurance?

A: Compared to how much it would cost to buy an engine, it's cheap.

Q: What evidence is there to show that running extended drains on synthetic oil will cause the engine to fail?

A: I don't have any, because I've never had an engine fail, because I change the oil every 3,000 miles. Now that's what I call cheap insurance!

Q: Uncountable studies performed by auto manufacturers, oil producers, industry analysts, and research groups like the SAE, both here and in Europe, have shown that synthetic oil can hold up for extended drain intervals. Why shouldn't I have some faith in this body of evidence?

A: You don't see anything on the bottle about extended drains, do you? They all say to follow manufacturer recommendations.

Q: You don't think that has anything to do with the litigous attitude in the U.S., and the oil companies' efforts to cover their butts from every idiot who runs his oil-burning 1986 Dodge Caravan completely dry?

A: What?

Q: Never mind. Amsoil says right on the bottle that you can run extended intervals.

A: And you TRUST them??

Q: Er, I thought you said--

A: Best to stick with 3,000-mile intervals. Cheap insurance.

Q: Isn't it wasteful to get rid of perfectly good synthetic oil at 3,000 miles?

A: There's plenty of oil to be had, and it's cheap insurance.

Q: There's plenty of beer to be had, but you don't drink half the bottle and pour the rest down the drain.

A: Oil isn't beer.

Q: Here's a hypothetical question. Each year, Americans consume 640 million gallons of motor oil. Even if we just went from your 3,000-mile interval to a 5,000-mile interval, that'd save 256 million gallons of oil. Most estimates for oil recycling peg the amount of recycled motor oil at no better than half, so even with the most generous estimate we'd still save 128 million gallons of oil pollution. In other words, if everyone increased their oil change interval by 2,000 miles, we'd save the nation the equivalent of 13 Exxon Valdez accidents each year. Isn't that a worthwhile goal?

A: MY oil gets recycled.

Q: That's not the point. If you use a quality oil, it seems like you could extend your drain intervals by a little bit, helping to reduce pollution and lower your operating costs at the same time.

A: I've never lost an engine using the 3,000-mile interval.

Q: You've never lost an engine using a 5,000-mile interval either.

A: Look, it's just cheap insurance.

Q: Do you wear a helmet in the shower? After all, there are over 110,000 bathtub and shower injuries per year. At 30 bucks, a helmet would be cheap insurance.

A:

Q: Hello?

A: Go away.
We have been conditioned by dealers and quick oil change places that we should change our oil at 3,000 miles that most people get a possibly false sense of security from it. In reality, the manufacturer of our engines reccomends a 10,000 mile OCI for our engines in medium duty applications. Without at least an occasional UOA, how do you know that 3,000 miles is often enough?
 
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Old Nov 18, 2006 | 07:49 PM
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Oil Additives?

I recently bought a 01 f250 powerstroke it has 115000 miles on it. The oil was dark but not really dirty to me, I am a new diesel owner so I'm learning. I changed the oil myself and filter. I have always used Castro GTX on my cars and trucks (gas) so I used Castro's diesel oil 15-40. I also put a quart of lucas oil addictive in. I again have only my gas engine experiences to go on and look forward to any suggestions etc. I was told to change my oil every 5000 or so and from reading here it really varies from what you are doing with the truck and loads on it. My main question is the lucas additive I read another post of a high copper and it might of been the additive.
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Old Nov 18, 2006 | 08:07 PM
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Higher copper and lead

I just got my blackstone report for my 195,000 mile taurus (yeah FORD) and I have been using "Restore" in it for years. They told me that the high levels of copper and lead are due directly to the use of "Restore" and these additives could "mask" the "brass and bronze in bearing wear". I unfortunatly changed my oil and dumped in the Restore in the Taurus when I did the sample but I will not do that next time and see what they say. He also recommended 4500 miles on the next sample cause it was looking so good, despite the 195000 and the restore. Not sure if the restore helped but like he said it might cover up symptoms of problems that might be brewing....just my .02 worth....Dave
 
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Old Nov 18, 2006 | 09:03 PM
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Clux did bring up some good points in his question/answer essay.......3000 miles DOES seem kind of excessive. Our police cars get that maintenance schedule, but that's because they're run every shift/every day in city driving, stop-n-go, with lots of idling and the tendency to do "lead-foot" driving........They NEED the 3000 mile interval.....believe you me. IMO the vast majority of us do not....BUT....for those who routinely tow heavy loads, I probably would....but in the end, it's whatever you're comfortable with. I just check mine at every gas-up and top off as needed and at right around 7000 to 7500 miles, I'm looking to do the change.
 
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Old Nov 18, 2006 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cmpd1781
. IMO the vast majority of us do not....BUT....for those who routinely tow heavy loads, I probably would....
Would you consider a Semi as "routinely" pulling heavy loads? I personally would. I looked at the owners manual on my truck, recommended oil change interval is 20,000miles, local grocery store chain changes oil at 40,000 miles. Last time I heard TMC (you know the black flatbeds based in DesMoines IA) changes thier oil at 50-52000 miles. those mileages are based on UOA taken on a regular bases.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2006 | 09:00 AM
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I don't drive a semi and don't know much about them, but (and you truck drivers, please don't stomp on me) I'm guessing that the service/maintenance schedule on a semi is a different animal from the service/maintenance schedule of a passenger truck (even a 250 or 350), which is what most of us drive. And yes, semis routinely tow heavy loads....but I'm also guessing that this doesn't affect a semi as much as it does a 250 or 350......Am I wrong here?.......And you're not telling priv8pilot to change the oil every 20000 miles, are you?......

Someone else brought up the differences between semis and passenger trucks on an earlier thread regarding "idling".....so I'm just guessing their are other differences as well---and if I misunderstood the thrust of your post, my apologies.....

Steve
 
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Old Nov 19, 2006 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by cmpd1781
I don't drive a semi and don't know much about them, but (and you truck drivers, please don't stomp on me) I'm guessing that the service/maintenance schedule on a semi is a different animal from the service/maintenance schedule of a passenger truck (even a 250 or 350), which is what most of us drive. And yes, semis routinely tow heavy loads....but I'm also guessing that this doesn't affect a semi as much as it does a 250 or 350......Am I wrong here?.......And you're not telling priv8pilot to change the oil every 20000 miles, are you?......

Someone else brought up the differences between semis and passenger trucks on an earlier thread regarding "idling".....so I'm just guessing their are other differences as well---and if I misunderstood the thrust of your post, my apologies.....

Steve
I think the reason they brought a semi up, is because its a large diesel, and its consistantly pulling heavy loads, generally grossing 80k. And they are obviosly empty as little as possible, because without a load on, they are not getting paid. The fact that they recomend to get changed every 20k miles, and are always loaded is a comparison to the people who think that 3k miles is when you NEED to get it changed. Im not trying to offend anyone, but this is my oppinion. The truck has 15 quarts of oil, and a gi-normous oil filter, if you are worried that much, change the filter at 3 or 4k and add the two quarts it takes. 7-10k shouldnt be a problem, and a few people have proved this with their oil analysis reports..... The other thread about idling, semis are generally left idling because generally they dont have glo plugs, and alot more motor to turn, especially in colder climate. They usually arent really idling, they are on a higher rpm setting also. just my .02


Edit : Thats my oppinion for people who regulary drive their truck..... When the truck sits for any amount of time, as Kwik brought up, thats another ball game, because my cars dont sit lol, and condensation happens.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2006 | 09:42 AM
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I think monster's point is the same as mine, maintainence interval depends on how you use it whether it is a cummins 350 or a powerstroke, and you don't know if you are changing your oil at an appropriate interval without analysis. The way I look at it is the $20 I spend with Blackstone is far more valuable "insurance" than the $60 I spend on an oil change. Why dump 4 gallons of perfectly good oil because it might be bad when you can learn for sure the condition of the oil and a lot more about your engine for $20.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2006 | 09:57 AM
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compd, the last 2 posters hit on part of my point, I forgot to add one part to my post, and clux hit it to a certian extent. around 10 yrs ago conventional wisdom on a semi was to change the oil at approx 12k miles, but with the UOAs being done on these trucks a lot (the owners of trucking companies figured out that $20 for a UOA that lets you decided if you can extend a oil change that costs around $190 each time is pretty cheap insurance) it's been figured out that 12,000 miles was WAY too soon and was a waste of money. So now even the OEMs have almost doubled thier recommended oil change intervals even with convenctional oils, but the light truck and passenger car markets have not followed suit even though they have the same issues.
Yes Semi's are a little different, first they carry in my case 37qts of oil and 3 oil filters, but mainly everytime that truck is started it rarely goes less than 500miles before it is shut down again. But that fact is partly why they used to recommend 4 times the oil change interval as lighter duty trucks, but with analysis they have gone to almost 7 times the recommended of light duty trucks, and the owners of these vehicles have figured out that is even too soon and have in some cases even doubled that. 3000 miles is fine but it's not gaining you a single mile on the back end of your vehicle from what has been seen in testing the oil, you are litterly throughing away money staying with that change interval.

OH and I wasn't trying to slam on anyone especially you compd, just clearing up what I meant since your post brought up where I left some things out.
 
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