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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 01:59 AM
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" "What's wrong with a 410 Carl?" "

Nothing, well almost. Only complaint I have is the small bore limits adding MR, HR or TP heads. Then again it's a torque motor not a 427 screamer.
It's harder to scratch build a 410 than rebuilding a runner should you get the wrong parts collected, can end up with a shaker or compression beyond todays pump gas. The worse one I saw was a guy that made his own 410 from scratch (not me), block bored, rods sized, everything balanced but he used long rods. Full piston to head contact.

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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Beemer Nut
The worse one I saw was a guy that made his own 410 from scratch (not me), block bored, rods sized, everything balanced but he used long rods. Full piston to head contact.

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OUCH talk about a bad day!!! I just got mine back in the truck and fired it up today and it ran like sh_t! It will run, but acts like it isn't getting enough fire. It ran good on the stand during break-in and the only difference now form then is the MSD coil and 6AL box. Any ideas? Could a low voltage signal wire cause that kind of problem?
 
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Old Oct 7, 2006 | 07:21 PM
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Josh, with the multi failures running MSD systems over the years (im not a stupid electrician) I would rather deal with points than any MSD, it means a Money Spent Daily system. My friend has been fighting a bad running 57 Olds again with yes he's having a second Pertronics failure. What brand to use, your decision. Now with your new motor Mr. Dizzy isn't in step with Mr. 410 anymore, different dance a recure will be needed later. I get hammered for speaking "Crane" all the time but I use what works for me for a street motor their XR 3000 and LX 91 coil can't be beat. JMO's. One time back in 78 I was testing the Allison optical trigger (Crane purchased Allison) I smoked the LED with 12 volts, no questions asked they sent a free replacement. Again over the years with questions their tech is of great help. What's you build specs, deck heigth, cc's pistons dish and valve cuts, head volume, cam specs, peanut dropper size and intake used, gots to know?

You should have that warm fuzzy feeling inside being a owner of a 410, it was Fords 25 millionth V8 motor produced, bet you didn't know that? It speced out with 345 hp @ 4,600, 475 TQ @ 2,600 with 10.5 cr, was called a E-475 motor.
This was for the Standard, Citation and Corsair Edsel's back in 1958.
Bore 4.2031", stroke 3.703" Now ya know the history of a 410.

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Old Oct 8, 2006 | 11:43 AM
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Carl, thanks for the history lesson. I will try to do the best I can on the specs not sure of them all. The block was decked .05 below deck, the pistons were the Silvolite 1139's which have a 8.2cr and 4 valve reliefs, the heads are 73cc's, the cam is a 292H Comp cam which has 292 duration, .560 lift, Valve Timing At 0.006
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Intake 40 72
Exhaust 80 32
These Specs Are For The Cam Installed At 106 Intake CL
Intake Exhaust
Duration At 0.05 244 244
Lobe Lift 0.3235 0.3235
Lobe Separation 110 .
I used a Edelbrock Streetmaster intake that my dad had laying around.
I did just think of one more thing different the carb. When we ran it on the stand it has a 750 Edelbrock on it. Now it has a 750 Holley on it. The motor will crank and run, but not good. We tried turning the distributor while running and no improvement. The MSD box has to have a switched power wire ran to it. We tied it into the original wire going to the coil. Someone told me yesturday that some of the Ford Trucks had a resistor wire built in and the wire would only have 6 to 9 volts on it. We checked it and sure enough it has only got 9.5 volts on it. Could this cause it not to run right. Dad said it acked sluggish....
 
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Old Oct 9, 2006 | 01:59 PM
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I tinkered around with the carb a little yesturday. I turned the idle/fuel mixture screws in 1 round on both and it acked like it ran a little better. The manual that came with the Holley said the idle/fuel mix should be right on but could need some adjustment on different motors. I didn't even give it any gas and after two turns it cranked. Better then Saturday when it wouldn't run without the gas pressed down. I still think I need to run a full 12v to the MSD box for the signal wire just in case. Still if anyone has any ideas please leave them!!!
 
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Old Oct 9, 2006 | 11:34 PM
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Yes you need a full 12v to the MSD signal wire and also the heavy red(+) and black(-) wires should go directly to the battery.

Wait a minute!!

How did we get here???!!
 
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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Beemer Nut
You should have that warm fuzzy feeling inside being a owner of a 410, it was Fords 25 millionth V8 motor produced, bet you didn't know that? It speced out with 345 hp @ 4,600, 475 TQ @ 2,600 with 10.5 cr, was called a E-475 motor.
This was for the Standard, Citation and Corsair Edsel's back in 1958.
Bore 4.2031", stroke 3.703" Now ya know the history of a 410.

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Sounds like a description of the MEL family of engines rather than an FE. MEL engines also included the 368 and the 430. Ford even had 3x2 bbl version of these - but not many parts around for MEL engines anymore. FE based 410s were previously well described - - as they were a short lived Mercury option.
 
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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Putt
Yes you need a full 12v to the MSD signal wire and also the heavy red(+) and black(-) wires should go directly to the battery.

Wait a minute!!

How did we get here???!!
Thanks. We ran a full 12v to it last night and it ran much better. Fired up and turned up much quicker. Yeah I kind of hijacked this thread, but jensdittmar said he was taking his motor to the machine shop so he already finished his question. I just started on another with about the same topic!! LOL SORRY
 
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