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Old Sep 28, 2006 | 11:52 PM
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Darth, is that the Grover Stutterhorn? The ones on firetrucks and ambulances... the 1510 I think it is? If so, how do you like it? Also, if you don't mind my asking... any idea what the compressor and horn go for? Or if you aren't comfortable disclosing exact numbers... a ballpark figure? I'm real interested in the 1510 setup if the price is reasonable

Thanks in advance,
Tom
It is a Grover, and it is the same dimensions as the stutterhorn, but I'm not sure of the actual model number. I work at a class 8 truck plant and I just played around with them all until I found the one I liked the best. The horn itself only cost me about $25-$30. With the snow shield and pedestal it was maybe $40? Can't remember for sure. I bought the horn several years ago but just installed it in this truck last year. The compressor I got online for about $145.

I love the horn!!! Wish I'd had it sooner. I have it wired to work off the stock horn button so it's easy to find in a hurry with a switch to go back to the "nice" horn.

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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 05:08 AM
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How long can you blast that thing before your air starts to run out? Ive got 2 of the same horns that I have yet to mount, and a 7 gallon air tank.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 10:41 AM
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You might look at www.SummitRacing.com - look under firestone dual air command, I will probably get something like this for next year, you can inflate the airbags independently.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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Arrow Cool . . .

Originally Posted by darth_calvin
Thank you. Yes, yes, and yes. I have inflated air mattresses and tires with it and run an impact gun. The compressor isn't powerful enough to run it full time, but it is more than enough to break loose stubborn bolts.

Matt
Could you PM/e-mail me the details as to how you wired it? I understand most of it but need a little more detail as to how to hook up the pieces. I would appreciate it. I really like the set up as it was what I was looking to do.

Ric . .
 
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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by VQ2Fast4U
Im about to start on my on-board air. I bought a 7 gallon tank. I want to be able to run some air tools off of it, and my air horns. Is anyone running a belt driven compressor? I dont want to be under powerd with an electric compressor, unless theres one out there that would be enough, and for a good price.
Someone has done that. Do a search on this or the 6.0 forum for it. They showed pic's as well.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 10:54 AM
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I think on the summit website I mentioned above they have the installation manual available for download - might help.
 
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Old Sep 29, 2006 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by VQ2Fast4U
How long can you blast that thing before your air starts to run out? Ive got 2 of the same horns that I have yet to mount, and a 7 gallon air tank.
I have no idea. Never had to go that long. I'm sure I would have some extremely angry neighbors before I ran out though.

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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by VQ2Fast4U
...Is anyone running a belt driven compressor?...
I'm just now beginning look into this seriously. I have the same experience as the poster who started this thread in finding reliable air-up sources for when I come off the beach. For a while I considered fabricating a CO2 system (great coefficient of expansion for liquified gas), but it turns out that CO2 and butyl rubber appear to have an adversarial relationship... I have a little portable 12V compressor that will do the job in an emergency, but I don't always need a 2-hour nap at that time :-> There is an outfit called Kilby Enterprises ("On-Board Air") that seems to specialize in repurposing York compressors designed for auto and truck A/C for this use. Their specific adaptors and such seem to be limited to Jeeps, Dodges and Chevies, but the site has a raft (pun not intended; not retracted) of info and generic parts. Apparently the York is the only A/C unit that is adequate to adapt because it has a separate oiling system where the others use the closed cycle freon as a lubricant. There is also the fact that A/C compressors have a decoupling mechanism (clutch) designed in. Seems to me it wouldn't be rocket science to rig an underhood mount for the compressor (anyone adapted the PS diesel 2nd alternate mount to other engines/uses?), run a circuit to engage/disengage the clutch, and mount the tank where darth calvin has his compressor. I don't see why running hoses to each wheel well would be a major undertaking, either, although it might be a good idea to have a positive cut-off at each one to eliminate leaks. I've run 1" Carlon under my 2004 V10 F250 SD CC LB to serve as conduit for my CounterAct corrosion prevention system wiring, and there is plenty of room for routing hoses, etc. The York 210 isn't cheap @ $325 plus system parts, but the biggest Viair (4.8) is more expensive, and seems to yield 1.67cfm peak, which would still require considerable patience when airing up 4 big tires. The York 210 @ 10.3 cu in would give you ~4.5cfm at idle speed (assuming 1:1 pulley ratio @ 750 rpm). That should even be suffcient to run it off the PTO without auxilliary throttle, but underhood is probably better. I'd be very interested in exchanging ideas and comparing results with anyone here who would like to attempt such a project.

http://www.jedi.com/obiwan/jeep/yorkair.html
http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/info.htm

-Scott
 
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 01:24 PM
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There are some companies making under hood screw compressors that will do anything from blowing up an air mattress to powering a construction jack hammer. But they arent' cheap. I think they work off of a clutch though and the clutch would be an interesting option to consider using on a stealth supercharger system.

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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 08:54 PM
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I have an Air Lift compressor and gauge setup for controlling the air bags. I have the compressor mounted behind the back seat. The gauge panel is mounted in the console. I bought the two gauge model so I can control each air bag separately. The power for the system is wired thru the Number 1 Upfitter switch. Seems to work good.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 09:58 PM
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My Father put air on all his trucks including his 1995 f-350 PSD. He used an automotive airconditioning compressor and just wired the clutch to a presure switch. Added a pully to the alt. to drive the thing. Hung a tank on the frame. Worked great. Could even run 1/2 " impact to change flats.
Poor men have poor ways!!
 
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Old Oct 2, 2006 | 01:58 AM
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After some poking around on the internet I found the you can pick up a york 210 out of some 80s volvos, and some fords too. I took that info and checked auto zone and found that a reman compressor for an 86 ford 460ci is only like $150, im gonna go down there after work and see if its the right one. If i cant find a reman or new one for around $200 im going to the junk yard. Ive made up my mind and ive gotta have a belt driven compressor. As far as price theres not much differance between a good 12v and a york 210, and theres no question which ones gonna perform better.
 
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Old Oct 2, 2006 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by VQ2Fast4U
Ive made up my mind and ive gotta have a belt driven compressor.
Did a little more research and found one more thing to consider. The Body Builder manual recommends a special support ("spider bracket") be installed to help support the front crank bearing assy if anything is added to the FEAD that consumes 5HP or greater. That support is apparently manufactured by DeWese as part of their front of engine hydraulic take-offs as used for lifts, buckets, etc. DeWese does have many listings for Triton 5.4 & 6.8 & PS engined Ford trucks for the hydraulic system itself, so likely would carry the spider bracket as a stock item. I suspect that intermittent use of a 10 cu in compressor would not equate to a >5 HP load of the kind Ford is concerned about (in fact DeWese list variations of most of their Triton drive kits that lack the support), but in good conscience I had to pass that on. I also plan to do a little more research into the DeWese hydraulic drive before deciding on the exact compressor system I will use. It probably costs way more than I want to spend for this project, but if it's less than I suspect, having an engine-driven hydraulic universal auxiliary power source is sort of compelling. It will probably come down to the delta between installed cost of the entire drive system and the installed cost of the bracket alone (assuming I need that item).

Spider bracket bulletin - http://www.fleet.ford.com/truckBBAS/non-html/Q74.pdf

DeWese listings - http://www.deweze.com/products/hydraulics/ford.htm

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Old Oct 2, 2006 | 06:41 AM
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Check out this link. They also have tanks if you insist on new.http://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.as...r%20compressor

Brad
 
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Old Oct 2, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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Thanks for the info samiller. Today I called and went to a few junk yards, finding a york 210 compressor is a little harder then I thought it would be. I did come across a list of vehicles that compressor came in http://www.links4jeeps.com/writeups/...ork_Donors.php . Hopefully tomorrow ill be able to locate one.
 
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