Hello all,
My name is Jonathan and I'm new to these boards. I just bought a '64 F-100 Long Bed built in San Jose. 223 3 spd, nothing fancy. Theres been a half-assed resto effort on it before, and its got lots of new or repaired stuff, and lots of worn out/half witted stuff. Anyway, I have several questions. Lets start with engine number, and we'll get to my starter armature tomorrow. Heh. Just for grins, it was built in August of '63, color code M (Wimbledon?) Trans A, Axle 12, Body 081 (can anybody define 081 for me?), and DSO 72.

Engine # EBP-6015-?maybe D or 0 Its the P thats throwing me off a little bit. The 64 Ford Truck Shop Manual calls for EBR, EBS or EBT. Its a decently running engine when it runs, but I'm wondering where it came from. The tranny # is C3AR 700B-E.

I look forward to posting with you fellas....

 

Jonathan: Can you post the VIN and Warranty Plate info? We can get you better answers with that, assuming it is original to the truck.
With that,
Color Code M = Corinthian White ('60 - '63)
Trans A = Ford 3 speed
Axle 12 = Ford 9"- check the tag and post the numbers to decode it for the exact ratio.
Body 081 = Closed Cab (the 0 means nothing, but closed cab means it wasn't delivered as an open driveaway to a customizing place.)
DSO 72 = ?

Congrats on owning one of the classiest trucks Ford ever made!

 

I got the warranty plate info down pretty well....as I have the shop manual. But its F10JR446184; WB 128; Color M; F100; Body 081; Trans A; Axle 12; Max GVW 5000, now heres a funny thing..the stamping registration is a bit off, and the line with Cert Net HP 114; RPM 3600, DSO 72, is skewed a bit to the left. I dunno.

DSO 72 means the San Jose district. It means Domestic Special Order. If a Ford was specially ordered from the factory, it would be noted in this slot with an order number. If its just a regular production unit, it just carries the district number it came from.

My color question is because I saw somewhere on the web, that '64s with color code M were 'Wimbledon', but my manual calls for 'Corinthian'. Theres still a bit of good paint in some nooks and crannies, which I could probably get a decent enough look at to match. But paint is a long long way away....so I'm not to worried about it just yet.

I think that its got a 128 inch wheelbase is pretty cool. Theres seems to not have been many of those produced. Its still got its original long bed, but it was used as a campertruck for some time, it seems, and the beds pretty well beat up, and poorly bondoed in one place.

I'm pretty darn psyched to have such an early produced unit. Being built in August of '63, it was probably sold in late '63 as a '64 model. The older the better, as far as I'm concerned.

If its #1184 off the line, I'm wondering how many of these trucks rolled off in a day....50? 100? 500?. Could it have been made in the first week of production? Hmmm. Just an interesting thing to think about, I suppose.

 

Jonathan: You done purty good! As we say down here in Georgia and South Carolina.
I've got the dealer manuals as well, and they can help fill in some of the blanks. I'll break this out for you:

F10 = F-100 series
J = Engine 223 ci 6cyl 114 hp@3600 rpm
R - San Jose Plant
446184 = August 63
Now on this date thing, the numbers were assigned in blocks to the month, whether they made that many or not. Depending on how many were made, yours could easily be in the early part of the month - or not.

M Color: According to the Paint section in the parts book, M meant Corinthian white up to '63. After that, it was known as Wimbledon White. I have seen many incorrectly refer to the earlier color as Wimbledon, when in fact is is Corinthian.

Your HP and RPM stampings seem to correctly reflect the engine J code.

DSO stands for District Special Order, and has nothing to do with the plant, but the special orders such as overseas, police, etc.

Check your axle for the tag, and post that info here if you've got any questions.

And, if I were you, I'd be just as psyched over having that truck too!

 

While we are on the subject of decoding, does anyone know what a DSO of 74 90 43 means ?
Thanks
Andy
66 4X4 4SPD

 

Andy: I'm still trying to figure out DSO numbers. I know they have no relation to the assembly plant, but refer to special orders, such as police, fire, government (Army, Navy, etc), and overseas.
But that's all.
Sorry I cannot help more!

 

This is from the 1964 Ford Truck 100-350 Series Shop Manual

"Trucks built to Domestic Special Order have the order number and the District Code number of the district which ordered the unit stamped in this space, If the truck is a regular production unit, only the District code will appear."

Then, there is a column with District Codes, starting with 11, being Buffalo, and ending with 90-99 being Export. From this column, 74=Seattle; 90=Export; and 43=Rockford. I don't think that has anything to do with your truck.

It seems to me, though I'm no expert on this, that your truck may have been special order. Is there anything unusual or special about this truck? Color, or A/C or something?

J

 

Jonathan: The O81 is the letter "O", not 0 as in zero, and it refers to your Trim Scheme. O stands for black vinyl, with a foam cushion in the seat.
Sound right?
Sorry it took me so long to realize what it was.

 

Regarding my DSO # of 74 90 43,I don't have any special options,such
as A/C or custom cab,just a standard cab F100 4X4 4Speed(NP435)Long(128)wheelbase styleside.The only thing that seems different is that
it has a separate set of coil springs on top of the leaf springs.They
are short and look like they only contact the bed frame when the leaf springs compress about three inches

Thanks
Andy,Shasta Lake ,Ca.

 

The only thing that seems different is that it has a separate set of coil springs on top of the leaf springs.They are short and look like they only contact the bed frame when the leaf springs compress about three inches

Thanks
Andy,Shasta Lake ,Ca.

Hmmmm. My shop manual (for 1964, mind you) has an exploded illustration of the rear spring for an F-250 4 wheel drive, which it says is typical of the F-100 as well. There are no coil springs to be found, there are however auxilliary leaf springs, but I'm not sure from the diagram exactly where they are in the suspension. I suppose that the coil spring could be a specially manufactured addition from the factory, but....who in their right mind would order something like that from the factory in 1966, and nothing else? With the large number of 4x4 shops around, it could easily be an aftermarket replacement part, or repair.......Or maybe not.

If the truck really is a special order, theres gotta be some record of it somewhere. Maybe Ford has a record of it, or could give you some good leads.

Jonathan
Mythical State of Jefferson

 

>Jonathan: The O81 is the letter "O", not 0 as in zero, and
>it refers to your Trim Scheme. O stands for black vinyl,
>with a foam cushion in the seat.
>Sound right?
>Sorry it took me so long to realize what it was.

Are you sure its an O and not a zero? my body code is a 381 and its a 64 as well.

 

 

It sure looks like a zero to me.
I can't comment on the interior trim, as, well, the seat frame and springs are all that are original, but its been hippied up real good with a foam cushion and an inexpensive ugly brown seat color. I'd love it to be black with a foam cushion. I'm thinking it may have been red though, from some remnants I've seen.

I'll get around to posting a picture of the interior in my gallery. Right now I'm doing clutch and ignition relay stuff.

Anbody know where to get a good, at least original looking air cleaner for a 223 1V carb?

J