More info on ULSD
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From: iowa
look closely at those stickers, if it says "low sulfar diesel 500ppm" which most of them do, and have only just been required to be placed on the pumps as of June 1st, that is not the new diesel it's the same stuff that has been bieng sold for the past 10 yrs. Everyone thinks they are getting the new Ultra low sulfar diesel because of these stickers, when infact they are not getting it yet at all, it is just mandated that the pumps be labeled with the stickers so that people that buy the new diesels will know that they can NOT use that fuel in there truck. the new stickers for the new Ultra low sulfar diesel will look like this.
Until you see them actually saying <15ppm it's just the same old stuff, and while looking for that sticker, I found that with the exception of CA, the new ULTRA low sulfar diesel will not even be at the terminals until the first of sept and is just now starting to be refined, so you shouldn't be seeing any of it yet, and infact supposedly it's just now starting to get to the terminals in CA and also supposedly non has even been sold as of yet except to the companies doing the testing of the new emissions systems.
Until you see them actually saying <15ppm it's just the same old stuff, and while looking for that sticker, I found that with the exception of CA, the new ULTRA low sulfar diesel will not even be at the terminals until the first of sept and is just now starting to be refined, so you shouldn't be seeing any of it yet, and infact supposedly it's just now starting to get to the terminals in CA and also supposedly non has even been sold as of yet except to the companies doing the testing of the new emissions systems.
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Not at all arguing with you, but how does one explain the clear diesel I was buying this last weekend? IIRC, we were in Colorado when I was fueling and noticed the fuel was clear, not amber colored. Very odd. I didn't notice the <15 ppm stickers, but I did notice the lack of the 500 ppm sticker.
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From: iowa
jt I don't have an explaination, heck I thought it was already in CA, and CO myself so I really can't say unless you got ahold of kerosene somehow, like as in it may have accidently been put into the wrong tank. But from what I have been able to find the ULSD, can be clear, green, blue or orange, just like regular low sulfar there is no color specification and it seems that even lsd can be clear but rarely is.
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From: iowa
it must have been diesel then cause they don't run for you know what on kerosene, my wife accidently put in 8 gallons one day in my truck before I caught it, so I filled it up and was lucky to get 10mpg on that tank.
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The ultra low fuel (being lessthan 15ppm) is already out there. The sticker is identical to the above picture except that is says less than 15ppm. By 2010 it will be mandated that all highway diesel fuel be the ultra low sulfer fuel.
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From: iowa
there is actually 3 versions of both the low sulfar and the ultra low sulfar diesels, that one I posted is just one of the approved versions for ultra low sulfar.
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Some thoughts and questions. First off, Wally has had DK back on shelves for over 2 weeks now so that is not a problem.
Now to the chase, I haven't been to the dealers lately but are these new ULSD 07 model diesels being sold? Who would buy one if they were if you all but cannot refuel them?
Now for Joe public/regular guy, AKA you and me. Are we looking at doubling the amount of DK we put into our tanks with fillup just to be safe rather than sorry.
Based on Jeremey's comments, I don't have a warm fuzzy about what big oil is going to do where our welfare is concerned. Especially with fed law mandating ULSD. I think they are apt to protect their collective Kiesters from the biggest set of jaws, those being the feds.
Now to the chase, I haven't been to the dealers lately but are these new ULSD 07 model diesels being sold? Who would buy one if they were if you all but cannot refuel them?
Now for Joe public/regular guy, AKA you and me. Are we looking at doubling the amount of DK we put into our tanks with fillup just to be safe rather than sorry.
Based on Jeremey's comments, I don't have a warm fuzzy about what big oil is going to do where our welfare is concerned. Especially with fed law mandating ULSD. I think they are apt to protect their collective Kiesters from the biggest set of jaws, those being the feds.
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From: iowa
Are you sure Ford has the new ULSD models on the show room, I thought I read on another thread just recently where it's just been in the past month you could start to order the 08 models with the 6.4. The 07s are not the new engine with the new emissions that are carry over 6.0L.
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AFAIK, any on road diesel vehicle produced after 2007, must have low-particulate filters (LPF) in the exhaust as well as the EGR (which the 6.0 already has). This has nothing to do with the whether or not the new 6.4 is released in what year. As part of the emissions system, these must also be waranted for 100,000 miles from the OEM. In order to meet these requirements, the fuel had to go down to ULSD levels to make it all work.