Fuel concerns
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Fuel concerns
I've been seeing a lot of talk about ultra low sulfer fuels. I dont understand what this means for us older diesel owners. There is a station by work that sells Willie Diesel. I think it is 20 percent Bio. Is that a better alternative than low sulfer diesel. pretty all the diesel i've seen around here is ultra low sulfer. Why are the systematically tryin to kill our old fords.
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The EPA is who is behind the ULSD push.
Bio D does have better lubricity from what I have read.
Remember when our engines were developed the fuel sulphur content was in the 5000 PPM range.
Then back in the 90's we went to LSD that was 500 PPM sulphur and did not lubricate the fuel system very well on the older diesels.
So now here we are in 2006 going to 5 PPM ULSD.
Just remember that our old Fords are not the only engines in trouble, all the old Cats, Cummins, Detroit Diesels, Macks and countless others are in the same boat.
Bio D does have better lubricity from what I have read.
Remember when our engines were developed the fuel sulphur content was in the 5000 PPM range.
Then back in the 90's we went to LSD that was 500 PPM sulphur and did not lubricate the fuel system very well on the older diesels.
So now here we are in 2006 going to 5 PPM ULSD.
Just remember that our old Fords are not the only engines in trouble, all the old Cats, Cummins, Detroit Diesels, Macks and countless others are in the same boat.
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From: Nutter Fort, WV
Sulphur was the lubricating agent in diesel fuel for years.
http://www.stanadyne.com/new/index.asp
This is the main page of Stanadyne, who manufactures the IP for our engines.
They have a LUBRICITY formula addative that is probably the best on the market for their pumps.
Go to the dealer locator page and see if there is one in your area.
Diesel Kleen by Power Service is also a good product that is widely available at most parts stores.
http://www.stanadyne.com/new/index.asp
This is the main page of Stanadyne, who manufactures the IP for our engines.
They have a LUBRICITY formula addative that is probably the best on the market for their pumps.
Go to the dealer locator page and see if there is one in your area.
Diesel Kleen by Power Service is also a good product that is widely available at most parts stores.
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From: Ladner, British Columbia
Bio-Diesel (B20) appears to be one way to to get the lubricity back that was stripped out of the ULSD by removing the sulphur. Just watch out as Bio-Diesel has some draw-backs on its own. B20 tends to freeze earlier than petrodiesel which can be a real concern in colder climates. Also make sure you change your fuel filter more often during the initial switch-over as B20 has a tendancy to do a real good job of cleaning all the build-up out of your tanks you have been collecting over the years. If you care, Bio-diesel is also a lot more environmentally friendly than petro diesel producing less CO2 and burning cleaner as it is an oxygenated fuel.
If you stick to petro diesel than make sure you use a additive like Dave S. mentioned. I have also been using Howie's, Diesel Tone, and Esso's "Lubricity" and they all seem to do a good job. Just make sure you use something rather than nothing is the key I think. Also note that in theory atleast all the refiners are bound to an ASTM standard for lubricity of the ULSD fuels the unfortunate part is that I am sure this standard was once again written for newer diesels and what the refineries put out is no longer good enough for the older diesels. Best if you stick with adding your own additives,.
If you stick to petro diesel than make sure you use a additive like Dave S. mentioned. I have also been using Howie's, Diesel Tone, and Esso's "Lubricity" and they all seem to do a good job. Just make sure you use something rather than nothing is the key I think. Also note that in theory atleast all the refiners are bound to an ASTM standard for lubricity of the ULSD fuels the unfortunate part is that I am sure this standard was once again written for newer diesels and what the refineries put out is no longer good enough for the older diesels. Best if you stick with adding your own additives,.
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I think I'll start supporting good ole Willie Nelson and all his farmer friends. Thanks for the info.
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From: Ladner, British Columbia
Willie has got a good thing going. Evenso it won't be the answer to the entire energy crunch we are faced with, it is a part of the solution with many side benefits such as better lubricity and work for the farmers.
The one thing that could bring all the Biodiesel excitement to a grinding halt would be if oil prices were to go down again. Not likely any time soon as long as the Chinese keep growing in double digits increasing their oil dependency the way they have done in recent years.
It will probalby be a while longer before Biodiesel becomes readily commercially available here in BC.
The one thing that could bring all the Biodiesel excitement to a grinding halt would be if oil prices were to go down again. Not likely any time soon as long as the Chinese keep growing in double digits increasing their oil dependency the way they have done in recent years.
It will probalby be a while longer before Biodiesel becomes readily commercially available here in BC.
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Add a little bit at every fill-up. Usually try to stick to the additive manufacturers recommended dosage so as not to overpay, but a little more does not hurt anything. I know some guys actually sell little metering bottles that give you exactly what you should add to each tank depending on how much fuel you put in the tank.
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Here is Stanadyne position on this subject check out paragraph #3 http://www.biodiesel.org/markets/pre/resolution.pdf
